Pornography is inheritantly wrong

[Berzerker]

Nope, selling isn't inherently wrong, and sex isn't inherently wrong, therefore selling sex isn't inherently wrong.

[Ethelred]

Re: Pornography is inheritantly wrong

Originally posted by Dissident


But seriously can anyone claim that pornograhpy is not demeaning to women?

Yes. Its extremely sexist and blindly so to make that claim.

How the heck is it inhereintly demeaning to women with NO MENTION OF MEN, when men are in the same photo?

If its not demeaning for men to be in the porn then it sure can't be demeaning for women. Unless of course you are a sexist pig. And then your wrong on two counts.

[Dis]

you obviously not have seen some of the more extreme porn. Of course men are in the photo. But how they are depicted is a different story.

But perhaps this is the wrong place to ask it. Can a man truelly answer this question correctly? If I ask this in a femenist forum I will get a far different response. Should I believe a man over a woman?

Does anyone know of any good feminist forums?

[orange]

if they're being paid to do it and are willing, I don't see why it should even be an issue...it's THEIR choice...

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Dissident
you obviously not have seen some of the more extreme porn. Of course men are in the photo. But how they are depicted is a different story.

I have only rented that stuff once and only by mistake not knowing what was going on in it. Don't kid yourself about that crap. I know its out there. I find that stuff demeaning to everyone involved. I have to wonder just what sort of person finds it stimulating.

I know the one of the guys that was making what can only be called hostile porn has apologized to the women when the camera was off. He got sneered at for that statement and he deserved to be sneered at. If he thought it deserved an apology he shouldn't have been doing it.

Then again James Cameron apologized to people for some the stuff on the Abyss. However thats not quite the same thing.

But perhaps this is the wrong place to ask it. Can a man truelly answer this question correctly? If I ask this in a femenist forum I will get a far different response. Should I believe a man over a woman?

More sexism. You just put down all of mankind.

Here is a link for you. Definitly a feminist. Also a former porn actress. Don't expect anything pornographic of directly related to this discussion. Just interesting.

Brandy Alexandre's home page

She is active on the usnet group rec.arts.movies.erotica and rather outspoken. Makes enemies of course as she is definitly a Flame Warrior.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Dissident
But I have seen some pretty demeaning stuff. We're not talking your basic hardcore. much more extreme than that.

What is the attraction of that? (don't answer that)

You might as well look at lab slides of genitalia. Boring, boring, boring.

[LaurenX2C]

I would think raping women and knifepoint on tape is pretty demeaning. Stuff like simulated rape and whips should be banned. Amatuer porn is bad too. I watched on HBO once 2 guys in a bus going around picking up girls. Its sad none of them used any kind of protection. That should be illegal who knows what kind of diseases those guys are spreading.

I have no problem with good porn. I just dont want to watch it. But if you cant do anything else in life. I guess it should be there.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by LaurenX2C
I watched on HBO once 2 guys in a bus going around picking up girls.

Seen those photos

[Dis]

What did James Cameron apologize for on the Abyss? I loved that movie. Off-topic- but it's my topic

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by LaurenX2C
Amatuer porn is bad too. I watched on HBO once 2 guys in a bus going around picking up girls. Its sad none of them used any kind of protection. That should be illegal who knows what kind of diseases those guys are spreading.

Those guys are not going around picking up girls. They only pretend too. The girls are often in other films. Its fake. The protection as an AIDs certificate. They are tested or they don't get in the video.

Well at least I hope they are. Thats standard in the porn business and those guys really aren't picking up girls they hadn't met before.

[MosesPresley]

Feminists and others often say hetero pornography is demeaning to women. What about gay pornography? No one seems to think that is demeaning to the participants.

[Dis]

good point about that. Alli discusses some differences in gay porn in her porn video store diaries.

gay porn for some reason doesn't seem demeaning for the most part. Although I should mention there is porn bukkake (don't ask). I haven't seen it but can imagine.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Dissident
What did James Cameron apologize for on the Abyss? I loved that movie. Off-topic- but it's my topic

The drowning and CPR scene went on a long time. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio walked off the set she was so upset. The shots of Ed Harris looking down at her were done then as they couldn't continue with her part till the next day.

Ed Harris nearly drowned once. The shoot just plain ground people down. Much of the crew had to decompress at the end of the day. None of the actors did because Cameron insisted on that but everyone else was subject to the possibility. He himself looked at the dailies underwater while decompressing.

[Epistax]

If something is demeaning, it's wrong?


Truth:

If pornography was illegal, there are many people who would never ever see the opposite sex naked. Are they to be denied this because a third party believes it's wrong?

Banning pornography is banning all artistic nudity in all forms. You cannot draw lines and define differences between naked and nude, attractive and suggestive. We're beyond that.

[DarthVeda]

*hides apx. 2 gigs of his computer away*