Bear grabs & kills baby

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
What's wrong with gators?

The only good gator is one sitting in frying pan being cooked.

[chequita guevara]

Now they'll be closer for the catchin'.

No, really, what's wrong with 'gators? They're okay as long as they ain't in the swimmin' hole, and even if they is, they're usally fairly small and you can wrassle 'em out. It's only the really big 'uns you gotta watch out fer, and you ain't gonna have those for many a year.

[The Mad Monk]

Re: Does killing solve everything?

Originally posted by Osweld


Ah, I see... you killed them all off a hundred years ago so it's not their territory anymore. And now that they are returning and 'invading' 'your' territory, you feel justified in killing them all again.

I find this particularily odd coming from you - I mean, wouldn't the same apply to other situations? Wouldn't the palestenians be justified in attacking their isreal invaders? And, for that matter, wouldn't all war and terrorism be justified since massacring entire populations is apparently a perfectly acceptable and reasonable way to get things done?

They are not 'returning' on their own, the idiotic government put them there!

Why were bear hunted out of the region in the first place? Because they were competitors for living space and food, and in addition a danger to safety. So it was left for many years, until people who had never known what was like to live in close proximity to bears decided to bring bears back, to restore the balance.

What balance? the land had changed, had become a patchwork of towns and farms, with no region entirely 'untouched'. Everywhere was in close proximity to civilization, and as was said earlier, bears need lots of space. In their efforts to 'restore the balance', they completely overlooked this little fact. One source I read said that black bears can roam an area of up to four hundred square miles -- a twenty-by-twenty mile patch of land. Even on a continental map, that's a noticeable chunk.

They had no business bringing large predators back here, no business at all.

[The Mad Monk]

And yes, New York has a short season for bears.

New Jersey dosen't.

[chequita guevara]

My understanding is not that the bears were reintroduced, but rather they became protected, allowing bears to move back into the area on their own.

[MOBIUS]

Re: Re: Does killing solve everything?

Originally posted by The Mad Monk They are not 'returning' on their own, the idiotic government put them there!

What balance? the land had changed,

Seems kinda ironic that you're arguing for their banishment and we're arguing for their return given your Israeli flag and all...

I always thought the Catskill Mtns were quite a wilderness area (for NY State anyway!). I almost went there for a few days once and IIRC it mentioned being careful of the wildlife!

I think it's great that we're repopulating these national parks and nature reserves with the animals that were there before us - let's hope they keep up the good work!

One of the best things about travelling in the US is actually seeing the wildlife in it's natural habitat - it's something you just don't see in the UK for example!

[The Mad Monk]

I believe they were reintroduced, but either way, it should not have been allowed. The government intentionally subjected the population to greater risk over time, for no measurable gain.

[The Mad Monk]

You can see the wildlife just fine in Canada.

[MOBIUS]

Maybe you should change your location field to:

King
of the Tame
Frontier

[The Mad Monk]

Why?

I wanna kill me a b'ar!

Even though I'm well past three...

[chequita guevara]

People are still far more dangerous to their own kind than bears are to humans. Anyway, the Catskills are a wilderness area. Lazy, stupid humans is no reason not to allow bears there.

[The Mad Monk]

Sure it is. The people living there felt safe. Now they don't. What is the trade-off that makes that worthwhile?

[chequita guevara]

The bears have been wandering through that area for at least 20 years. I've seen reports on bear problems from them since the early 1980s. If you aren't smart enough to figure out that some place that has been bear country for 20 friggan years isn't safe to leave your infants lying around you are to friggan stupid to have children.

[The Mad Monk]

It should not have been returned to 'bear country' in the first place. It was a mistake. Now, it should be corrected.

[chequita guevara]

Bears are fine, it's stupid people you have to watch out for. Anyone with common sense can avoid bear troubles, but stupid people can mess you up no matter where you are.