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Originally posted by Kramerman
Ethelred, from what I've read, by my standards you are a weak atheist like myself, but that is by my definition.
The catch with Weak Atheism is that is EXACTLY the same as being an Agnostic. There is no need for the concept except that some people have been intimidated by people that want to pretend that Agnostics are fence sitters.
Originally posted by Ethelred
Try telling that to the Catholic priests that say its faith and there is no proof. I am sure they will differ with if you call them Agnostic. They might just consider it a troll. That would be the best result you could expect.
I'm not going to use an incorrect definition just because a bunch of priests don't know what the term means.
I am not blending. That is what you are still doing.
I don't see how I'm blending. I'm drawing a distinction between epistemological beliefs (gnosticism and agnosticism) and metaphysical beliefs (theism and atheism), while you're lumping the epistemological in with the metaphysical. Atheism is a metaphysical belief, and answers the question "do you believe in god?" Agnosticism is an epistemological belief, and answers the question "do you believe that god's existence can be proven/disproven?"
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I know many Babtists. Those are the ones who think Barbra Streisand is god, right?
I'm agnostic, not Atheist. I refuse to lump them together.
Your "weak Atheist" definition is, in fact, agnosticism. Atheism is, simply, the belief there is no god(s).
Ok, I am a Christian first, my belief is in JESUS CHRIST as my LORD AND SAVIOR .He is the Living Son of GOD in Heaven. I have been been called by God to serve at a Baptist Church. I have held many positions, from Sunday School teacher, to a Discipleship training leader to Deacon. In a week I am headed to Jutiapia Honduras to help my Lord build a church for the folks down there. I dont believe in Barbara Streisdand as being any more than a singer. I really dont even care for her singing, no offense, just not my type. I do know this, if you believe in CHRIST as the One whom died for your sins, you go to Heaven. If not H E L L . Now, there is a small division between Heaven and Hell. 18", that being the distance between Heart knowledge of CHRIST and head knowledge of whatever you believe.
Truth Heals.
Truth Hurts.
Christ is the Truth. He heals, he paid the price at Calvary for all sinners, yours, mine and all others. Simply believ in your heart, confess with your lips and you shall be forgiven your sins!
I'm not going to use an incorrect definition just because a bunch of priests don't know what the term means.
No your going to use an incorrect definition because you are stubborn. Considering the coiner of the term I will stick with my definition which is the meaning most would think is correct. I sincerly doubt that Thomas Huxley would agree with you either. He would for once agree with the priests. Of course he wasn't debating with Catholic priests when he was Darwin's Bulldog.
Ok, I am a Christian first, my belief is in JESUS CHRIST as my LORD AND SAVIOR .He is the Living Son of GOD in Heaven. I have been been called by God to serve at a Baptist Church. I have held many positions, from Sunday School teacher, to a Discipleship training leader to Deacon. In a week I am headed to Jutiapia Honduras to help my Lord build a church for the folks down there. I dont believe in Barbara Streisdand as being any more than a singer. I really dont even care for her singing, no offense, just not my type. I do know this, if you believe in CHRIST as the One whom died for your sins, you go to Heaven. If not H E L L . Now, there is a small division between Heaven and Hell. 18", that being the distance between Heart knowledge of CHRIST and head knowledge of whatever you believe.
Truth Heals.
Truth Hurts.
Christ is the Truth. He heals, he paid the price at Calvary for all sinners, yours, mine and all others. Simply believ in your heart, confess with your lips and you shall be forgiven your sins!
Wow. You are awarded tonights prize for "missed humor."
"Babs" is a short name for "Barbara," and Streisand is often referred to as "Babs."
Hence, the joke to his misspelling of "Baptists" as "Babtists..."
Troll, may I ask you somethin?
Well, since I dont have time for a reply I will go ahead and ask it, but you dont have to answer. Do you only accept Christ as your savior because you fear going to to Hell? Or is there a more meaningful reason? I dunno, it is just that when I was in my early teens I began to ask alot of religious questions and seek out the answers. I found by doing some thinking that I never really believed in Christ from what I was told about in Sunday school or from what I read in the Bible, but I really only believed in him just in case. I believed in him because I feared Hell, that is all. The only thing that kept me Christian for the next few years was my fear of going to Hell, and that is all. Then my answers that I had found from all my questions and thinking (I have many arguements against many religions) overpowered what I now call an irrational fear and I am now a weak atheist or agnostic or whatever you want to call it.
Ok, I am a Christian first, my belief is in JESUS CHRIST as my LORD AND SAVIOR .He is the Living Son of GOD in Heaven. I have been been called by God to serve at a Baptist Church.
This delusion of yours, when did it occur? What drugs had you been abusing? Or was it just self-hypnosis through intense prayer.
I have held many positions, from Sunday School teacher, to a Discipleship training leader to Deacon. In a week I am headed to Jutiapia Honduras to help my Lord build a church for the folks down there.
Does this mean Apolyton will have one less troll to kick around? Or does it mean that AH will have to work overtime trolling the waters of Apolyton?
I dont believe in Barbara Streisdand as being any more than a singer. I really dont even care for her singing, no offense, just not my type.
Well you are seriously wrong on this. The demi-goddess to gay men is also an actress and has even directed. Pretty good at comedy. Better than her singing in my view. Then again I don't care for that kind of music generally.
I do know this, if you believe in CHRIST as the One whom died for your sins, you go to Heaven. If not H E L L .
This is clearly not a good sign. Mayb you are trolling again. Even the Catholic Church has accepted the idea that people that have never been exposed to the bizzare concepts of christianity won't be condemmed to eternal fire simply for being ignorant. It is a shameful thing to be as narrow minded as you are. Appalling. Must be that stone head that trolls have.
Now, there is a small division between Heaven and Hell. 18", that being the distance between Heart knowledge of CHRIST and head knowledge of whatever you believe.
Here is some head knowledge. Hearts pump blood. They don't know anthing but to contract when stimulated.
Of course what you are really saying is the you don't know anything and don't want to know anything that might open your eyes to reality. Blind acceptence is a virtue to tiny minds as they simply are confused by thinking.
Truth Heals.
Truth Hurts.
I will go along with that.
Christ is the Truth.
He was a man. He died. That is all.
Tell me why did a god have to kill 2000 pigs just to cast out two demons? Such awe inpiring power that must have been. Two people acting strange so Jesus harrasses them and then herds other mens livelyhood over a cliff and claims it was done to cast out two measely demons. A truly competent godhead would simply have banished the demons without a blood sacrifice.
Yes that nonsense is in the Bible. Bet Troll thinks its real.
Assuming he believes this narrow minded crap he spouting.
He heals, he paid the price at Calvary for all sinners, yours, mine and all others.
Makes no sense at all. Why couldn't god forgive the awfull sins without killing himself? The whole concept has always sounded more than slightly deranged.
Simply believ in your heart, confess with your lips and you shall be forgiven your sins!
Simply burn out my brain and deny reality and I too will be close minded vegatable.
No thanks. I will stick with REAL truth instead of labeling nonsense and mysticism as such.
Tell me why did a god have to kill 2000 pigs just to cast out two demons? Such awe inpiring power that must have been. Two people acting strange so Jesus harrasses them and then herds other mens livelyhood over a cliff and claims it was done to cast out two measely demons. A truly competent godhead would simply have banished the demons without a blood sacrifice.
Yes that nonsense is in the Bible. Bet Troll thinks its real.
Assuming he believes this narrow minded crap he spouting.
quote:
He heals, he paid the price at Calvary for all sinners, yours, mine and all others.
Makes no sense at all. Why couldn't god forgive the awfull sins without killing himself? The whole concept has always sounded more than slightly deranged.
quote:
Simply believ in your heart, confess with your lips and you shall be forgiven your sins!
Simply burn out my brain and deny reality and I too will be close minded vegatable.
No thanks. I will stick with REAL truth instead of labeling nonsense and mysticism as such.
relax. Let the man have his "religion" in peace. I wouldn't want some religious guy telling me what I should believe. I have had that happen, (never tell a Jahova's Whitness you are atheist/agnostic. I was calling myself agnostic at the time) and it is not fun.
Originally posted by Kramerman
Troll, may I ask you somethin?
Well, since I dont have time for a reply I will go ahead and ask it, but you dont have to answer. Do you only accept Christ as your savior because you fear going to to Hell? Or is there a more meaningful reason? I dunno, it is just that when I was in my early teens I began to ask alot of religious questions and seek out the answers. I found by doing some thinking that I never really believed in Christ from what I was told about in Sunday school or from what I read in the Bible, but I really only believed in him just in case. I believed in him because I feared Hell, that is all. The only thing that kept me Christian for the next few years was my fear of going to Hell, and that is all. Then my answers that I had found from all my questions and thinking (I have many arguements against many religions) overpowered what I now call an irrational fear and I am now a weak atheist or agnostic or whatever you want to call it.
Kman
I accept Christ because of my convictions that he paid the price for my sins, one thing I cannot do to get into Heaven, pay the price for my sins.
I believe in Him and he guides me through life. Oh, and by the way, if you are a Christian, and only Christ and you know that, you are and allways will be. You may "backslide" and then you merely need to repent or turn away from the path you are on in order to be forgiven.
I do, by the way, "fear" Hell, for that would be eternal seperation from God and his Son Jesus Christ.
And as for the previous poster about "Babs"...ok..Jokes on me, funny-fynny
Originally posted by Boris Godunov
For the record, I hate Barbara Streisand.
Next thing you'll be telling us is that you hate Madonna as well.
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