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  • #76
    As an American who has to pay taxes to the government, I oppose a war against Iraq.

    I don't profess any interest in Saddam Hussein, or whether he lives or dies. I don't have any particular hatred for the Iraqi people, nor do I have any particular compassion for them above and beyond anybody else. What I do know is that the economy is in the doldrums right now, and Bush has already waged one war against Afghanistan. Every time I read about another million dollar missile used in the war, I question where my tax money is going. True, we need a defence force - every nation worth its salt does. But don't forget that deterrence is the only profit you will get from making a weapon. A dollar spent on a weapon is a dollar you're not getting back.

    America has already proven to the world (as if any proof were needed) that its armed forces are more than adequate to avenge, repel, withstand, etc any foreign such force. The demonstration has been made. The rest of the world has seen.

    I'd quite like the government to get back to sorting out the rising unemployment rate and mushrooming corporate fraud. Every time I hear the Bush adminstration issue another crack at Iraq, I wonder whether or not they're confusing their priorities. The weakening US economy was what kicked Bush snr out of office after one term. I'm not entirely sure that Saddam Hussein is responsible for that, regardless of how [twitchpinky] evil he may be.
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    • #77
      When I think of the outcome: a free, democratic, pro-US, anti-terrorist Iraq vs. what we have if we do nothing: a country ruled by a WoMD-using, terrorist-supporting, megalomaniac who threatens both Israel and the United States with death and destruction, I am in favor. Ten years ago, I thought leaving Saddam in power was the right move. Now I know it was a mistake.

      Schroeder and his ilk fear "instability." What does this mean really? A pro-West Iraq can't help but stabilize the region, IMHO.
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      • #78
        attacking Iraq of course is a mistake.

        Now if they gave us a good reason...

        smack em' up

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        • #79
          "But is that a legitimate concern?"

          In my view, yes. Hussein pays $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber nowadays. He has already thrown in his lot with the likes of Hamas. Don't think we can assume he won't proliferate to these groups, even though he hasn't seemed too interested in the pan-Muslim fundamentalism that is our immediate enemy.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Ned
            When I think of the outcome: a free, democratic, pro-US, anti-terrorist Iraq . . .
            And where will this come from? Except for the Kurds, the population of Iraq hates the US. A democratic Iraq will break apart into a Shia controled Southern Iraq and a Kurdistan. The US wants neither, which is why we didn't go into Iraq ten years ago. Only a military dictatorship will hold Iraq together, which is what every government in the region (with the possible exception of Iran) wants.
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DanS
              Hussein pays $25,000 to the family of each Palestinian suicide bomber nowadays.
              So do the Saudis, yet we aren't about to attack them. In fact, as everyone on these boards is well aware, the Saudis are central to the terror network opposing the US. Yet high-tech American weaponry hasn't ended up in terrorist hands ... at least not yet.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #82
                I think we're well aware of what Saudi individuals are doing and haven't whitewashed it. For instance, yesterday on the front page of the Post...



                But I am not aware of a Saudi weapons of mass destruction program. Are you?
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                  Except for the Kurds, the population of Iraq hates the US.
                  Why do the Kurds like us? I would have thought that after we sold them up the river they would, at best, only grudgingly tolerate us.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                  • #84
                    It will be an incredible mistake to attack Iraq. What the hell are we going to do there?

                    So we easily conquer them and kill Sadaam. Then what? Seriously, what are we going to do there?

                    Put up another military dictator? Great, he gets killed within five years for being pro-US and then another guy takes power, meanwhile we have pissed off the ME and led to a major reshuffling and tons of problems. Tons of deaths and who the hell knows what happens with Israel.

                    The whole idea is simply proposterous. I just don't understand why we are going to do this other than the entire Bush staff sees it as a way to solve their mistake ten years ago and at the same time shift the headlines from the floundering economy to the war in Iraq.
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                    • #85
                      i'm sick of the US having to be the world's policeman, why do we have to invade and or liberate every third world trash heap in the name of human rights, etc, etc? let the UN deal with it, and maybe that way the rest of the world won't complain about our intervensionist policies anymore and America will be more liked

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by H Tower
                        let the UN deal with it,
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #87
                          um that should have been "let the UN try and deal with it"

                          my bad

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                          • #88
                            Do you Believe in Santa Claus Too, H Tower?
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Lonestar
                              Do you Believe in Santa Claus Too, H Tower?
                              yes. don't you?


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                              • #90
                                And what if the UN can't do it, H Tower? We not as Americans, but as humans must help those less fortunate than us.

                                I hate to do the old switcheroo but if you lived in a dying and dirty third world nation (oh btw... its "PC" now to call them developing nations) wouldn't you want the superpowers, the countries that have far more than they already need, to provide aid?
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