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    I would like my fellow Americans to read the following article and respond by sharing how they feel about the prospect of war with Iraq.

    The Joint Chiefs of Staff, after months of some members resisting a new war, now fully back using military force to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

    Administration officials said in recent interviews that some Joint Chiefs members initially raised some objections or "what ifs." The chiefs worried about casualties, Saddam's likely use of chemical weapons against American troops and an open-ended occupation of Iraq once the dictator is evicted from Baghdad.
    But, as the Pentagon's hard-line civilian leadership has pressed the Bush administration policy to remove Saddam, all six chiefs have come to a consensus, two administration officials said.
    "The chiefs have come over because they can read the handwriting on the wall," said an administration adviser. "Now the senior leadership is on board."
    The adviser said that in past administrations, if a four-star general offered "my best military advice" that war was ill-advised, the civilian leadership was likely to heed the warning.
    But the Bush administration is stacked with civilians who believe military force against Iraq is the only viable way to oust Saddam and get rid of his potent arsenal. They do not take such advice as the last word.
    These advisers are led by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, a man who, as one uniformed officer said, "has the guts for war."
    The chiefs' unanimity on Iraq comes as the Defense Department is stepping up war planning in anticipation of an invasion, perhaps as early as the winter of 2003.
    In war fighting, the chiefs of the four branches, the vice chairman and the chairman principally are advisers to the defense secretary and provide support to the combatant commander. The war-fighting chain of command goes from the president to the defense secretary to the combatant commander.
    For Iraq, the commander is Army Gen. Tommy Franks, who heads U.S. Central Command. Gen. Franks briefed President Bush at the White House on Monday night on war options. Central Command runs U.S. military operations in the Persian Gulf, as well as in counterterrorist missions in Afghanistan.
    Two administration sources said yesterday that the most likely plan would involve about 200,000 air, ground and naval troops, as well as wide-ranging air strikes and aid to indigenous anti-Saddam forces.
    Sources say all of President Bush's top national security advisers agree on the need to topple Saddam by covert or overt action. But Mr. Bush has not settled on a war plan, and no attack is imminent, they say.
    A linchpin of any final war plan will be psychological-warfare programs to convince Iraqi military commanders that they will suffer great losses if they do not join the fight against Saddam or, at least, refuse to take up arms.
    One administration official said that if this strategy is to work, the United States must build a sizable ground force in Kuwait.
    "A bigger force they put there sends an unambiguous message — 'If you fight, you will die,'" the official said. "The smart thing to do is to put a large number of troops on the border."
    The source also said that Bush civilian appointees are finding that it is not always easy to find generals who, like them, believe there is no alternative, in some instances, to war.
    "The system has created a military that is a professional bureaucracy," said the official, who asked not to be named. "Once you make one star, they start sending you to charm school."
    Mr. Rumsfeld told reporters on Monday to be skeptical of reports that nations in the region would not support U.S. action against Saddam.
    "I think if you sat down with the leadership of any country over there that you'd find they have a very low regard for that fellow," Mr. Rumsfeld told representatives of the National Association of Black Journalists. The Pentagon released a transcript of the interview yesterday.
    "You'd also find they're much smaller countries, and they're much weaker," he said, in a reference to Kuwait, among other neighbors.
    Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, propelling the United States into a war against Saddam that lingers today in the form of enforcing northern and southern no-fly zones.
    "When you have a neighbor that is that big and has that big an army and has chemical weapons and has used them on its neighbors then it's like the little guy in the neighborhood's fairly careful about what he says publicly," Mr. Rumsfeld said. "I don't know of anyone I've talked to out in the region who would walk across the street to shake Saddam Hussein's hand."
    Mr. Bush justifies tough talk about Iraq on the grounds that Saddam is aggressively pursuing nuclear weapons that could one day be used against the United States.

  • #2
    Is this a club thread?
    I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are still missing.

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    • #3
      This thread discriminates against Europeans. I think it should be shut or else I will file a large lawsuit against Mssrs. Daniel Quick and Markos Giannopoulous.

      (So, is answering in the style of the average American okay?)
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      • #4
        The time will come when Hussein has to go.
        If Colin Powell says time to go, then it's time to go.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Oh sorry, I'm not an American I just like breaking rules.
          Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
          We've got both kinds

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          • #6
            I might be from Iraque,
            I should be allowed to have my say in that case since I would be involved
            Formerly known as "CyberShy"
            Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori

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            • #7
              I say "let's do it." Hussein needs to be physically removed from power. I, for one, believe we should have done this years ago.
              ____________________________
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              • #8
                As much as I'd like to see him taken down. The circumstances are not right at the moment. Additional ill will against the US in that region is not needed at the moment. I see no valid justification for it. If we wait, I'm sure our patience will be rewarded. Reading editorials from across the country leads me to believe that Bush still has some more selling to the American people to do before he moves against him.
                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #9
                  It should have been done during the Gulf War, but Bush, Sr. bowed to the wishes of the U.N.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #10
                    (posting from the 50th state...i.e-Hawaii)

                    *sigh* and *deep breath*

                    Let me just start by giving my own opinion.

                    I believe that the United States, even though Iraq is a designated hostile power, is TOTALLY wrong here. Having our military overtly invade a separate sovereign entity is wrong. I personally that even though Iraq may be pursuing technology that will lead to nuclear weapons, the U.S. should not overtly use military power against a foreign country.

                    I personally believe that in the worlds eye, WE (the U.S.) will be perceived as the aggressor nation and should be repelled. Nevermind all these theories that "Dubya" wants to start a war to get the American ppl to overlook other domestic policies......the current U.S. administration should look at alternatives.

                    Even though Iraq may be 100% proven guilty, it still doesn't mean we should go in there and invade them. North Korea is considered an aggressor nation to South Korea, but you do not see Seoul invading Pyongyang. Neither do you see Argentina invading further British holdings (even though they still consider the Faulkland Islands Argentinian). My point is, putting social beliefs aside, America is WRONG in the global sense to invade Iraq just to oust Saddam Hussein.

                    Should not the U.S. invade Libya to get rid of Kaddafi (sp?) since he is considered a hostile nation against the U.S.? Shouldn't we get rid of Comrade Fidel Castro since he is considered an enemy of the U.S.? Well....we aren't getting rid of them right now because, quite frankly, IMPO, Iraq is fresh in the American's public eye and a "war" with them will help the populace forget about troubles at home (the Stock Market, Enron, WorldCom, AOL TimeWarner, e-t-c.)

                    Simply put, If we absolutely have to get rid of So-damn-insane (Saddam Hussein), we should have our elite units cooperate with allied nations to rid the world of this menace.
                    Despot-(1a) : a ruler with absolute power and authority (1b) : a person exercising power tyrannically
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                    • #11
                      As a representative of the 52nd state I didnt bother to read the article, but I support any action against Iraq. The region needs a reshuffle.
                      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.

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                      • #12
                        hey franky. Why would S. Korea invade the North?
                        The North would just drag the South down.
                        Look how ass backwards the North is. They can't even build railroad tracks.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #13
                          Don't need to go in with missiles flying and guns blazing.....just send some people in quietly and take him out. Doesn't need to be some big production.

                          Sure easier said than done, but if its Saddam we want to target, lets target Saddam.....not Iraqs people, not Iraqs cities.
                          I see the world through bloodshot eyes
                          Streets filled with blood from distant lies.

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                          • #14
                            Drake

                            It's would be my guess that it's already been tried.
                            Saddam uses a lot of doubles. He didn't even show for his birthday celebration. It was suspected that he had heard rumors that a hit was planned. He has reason to be paranoid. Of course is it parnaoia if everyone IS out to get you.
                            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SlowwHand
                              hey franky. Why would S. Korea invade the North?
                              The North would just drag the South down.
                              Look how ass backwards the North is. They can't even build railroad tracks.
                              my bad, I was getting all worked up. I meant to have it reversed, Pyongyang invading Seoul.

                              You know how you get when you get all riled up? That's how I was getting.

                              The point I was trying to make is that any country that is on the U.S.'s side is considered the "good" side and any side that opposes U.S. policies is consiered bad.

                              For instance, take the elections in the Congo in 19** for example (excuse the dates, right now I forget specifics). The president-elect **** Lumumba was considered anti-American and was eliminated, replaced by an African military dictator who was more U.S. friendly.
                              Despot-(1a) : a ruler with absolute power and authority (1b) : a person exercising power tyrannically
                              Beyond Alpha Centauri-Witness the glory of Sheng-ji Yang
                              *****Citizen of the Hive****
                              "...but what sane person would move from Hawaii to Indiana?" -Dis

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