Hiroshima Remembered.

[Q Classic]

Mobius, Tojo was not in command at Nanking. it was Nakajima Kesago.

Tojo Hideki was part of the Kwantung army, however: major general in 1933
head of the Kwantung Army's military police in September 1935.
chief of staff to the Kwantung Army (March 1937-May 1938).

[Bereta_Eder]

DanS, thank you for the laugh


You just don't have the world's support now. And the Russians could take the nuclear beating far better than you. Your land mass is smaller and you have many cities packed.

(I'm not saying that I am against the bombing of Hirosima after what I hear from Q Cubed).

Now all we need is a nuking of the US

[DanS]

"You just don't have the world's support now."

What's this have to do with the justification for using nukes?

I just think it's a little odd that people forget so quickly that the non-use of very brutal conventional weapons from the end of WWII onward has been guaranteed by the awful proposition that we've got nukes and we wouldn't hesitate in wiping your country (e.g., USSR, China) off the map.

It wasn't exactly tea time you know.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DanS
"You just don't have the world's support now."

What's this have to do with the justification for using nukes?

You need it to use them.

I just think it's a little odd that people forget so quickly that the non-use of very brutal conventional weapons from the end of WWII onward has been guaranteed by the awful proposition that we've got nukes and we wouldn't hesitate in wiping your country (e.g., USSR, China) off the map.

And the Russians would have liberated your land for the cockroaches to colonize that time 'round.


That's why it was called MAD.

You nuking hirosima has nothing to do with it.

Or do u think USSR would hesitate one sec to wipe you off the map? (too bad it didnt )

[DanS]

"You need it to use them."

So what? We're talking about Hiroshima and the aftermath.

People here seem to forget the severity of the game that was going on. That's my only point.

[Bereta_Eder]

Your initial point was that since the world has seen that u have used the bomb in hirosima it will be fearing that u will use it again to wipe out its country and that's what kept the world in peace.

that's what i was laughing at.

The USSR could make you a cockroach colony with the same ease and THAT"S what kept the world in peace (=balance of terror - mutual assured destruction)

that's all.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by DanS


We have grown soft in 12 years, it seems.

You think this debate is only twelve years old? Its been going on for a long time. I don't know about the fifties as I was still too young but in the sixties it was going strong. We know more now (secrets that sometimes waited for fifty years for release) but the basics of the debate haven't changed in decades.

[Bereta_Eder]

you have not grown more "soft"

snap out of it

you have grown MUCH more aggressive unilateralist and gang - ho since you're the only superopower around for the last years.

[Bereta_Eder]

you just cant use nukes now to solve THAT problem (of terrorism). it is an assymetrical danger, nuking somebody would just turn the whole world against you with crippling embargoes, blockades etc etc etc AND it wouldnt solve the problem of terrorism in the slightest.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by paiktis22


The USSR could make you a cockroach colony with the same ease and THAT"S what kept the world in peace (=balance of terror - mutual assured destruction)

that's all.

Thats nonsense. The US had the bomb alone to itself for years. For many more years only the US had the capacity to deliver the things. Untill the Soviet Union had ICBMs they would have been lucky to hit a single city in the US. They did have SRBM aimed at Europe and during the Cuban Missle crissis they snuck some into Cuba.

The US had the capacity to destroy the USSR for well over a decade with little that the USSR could do in retaliation. We never did so. MAD had nothing to do with that. We CHOSE not to.

[Bereta_Eder]

does this take away anything of what i said?

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by paiktis22
you have not grown more "soft"

snap out of it

you have grown MUCH more aggressive unilateralist and gang - ho since you're the only superopower around for the last years.

Don't kid yourself. Unilateralist, perhaps, but in all honesty, Americans tend to be pretty pacifistic.

[Ethelred]

Yes.

MAD did not save the USSR from destruction. The US chose not to do it. Try reading what you wrote and you will see that it DOES take away from what you said.

Heck you even dragged the terrorists in this and they didn't exist then. Even Israel didn't exist when the Bomb was dropped. You went way off topic just to troll with a statement that was dubious at best.

I know you can do a better job of trolling Americans. I have seen you do it before. This troll was not up to your best.

[Bereta_Eder]

The US had no reason to take out the USSR at that time using nukes. there was no huge danger as there was later.

And the world did stay at peace of 70 years due to MAD.


faelin, just count the bombs that the US has dropped and you'll maybe wake up.

you got two planes hit you and you go around tearing your clothes apart.

imagine the amount of bombs you have dropped to the people u have dropped them at.

just beacuse they dont have CNN...


BTW yes im trolling but that dont mean it isnt true.

[Bereta_Eder]

and before going to get that ice cream: the terrorism issue was introduced after DanS said that u are being "soft".


why would he say that? what do u think are u going "soft" at?