Hiroshima Remembered.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Also Q Cubed, the Japanese civilians on the most part knew nothing of what was going on except the propaganda that they were being continuously fed about the 'US aggressors' etc.

That is so wrong I don't even know where to begin correcting it.

The general population did not know the whole story, true, but they did know about the occupation of Korea, the invasion of Nanjing, etc. And they thought those were good things. Many Japanese thought they were superior to other Asian peoples. A number of them still do today.

Originally posted by MOBIUS
The 'government' was effectively a military coup orchestrated by the likes of Tojo and his cronies...

That is untrue also. All this invasion and occupation stuff was planned long before Tojo came into power. Hirohito himself had to share the responsibilities.

Originally posted by MOBIUS
This bullsh*t about the civilians not stopping what was happening is wrong on so many levels, not level because of Japanese 'etiquette' and social values - but also because they would have been killed.

They were supportive of the invasions dammit! Do you have a clue of what was going on?

Originally posted by MOBIUS
The bombs were not necessary, maybe as a show of force - but nothing more!

Again untrue. The Japanese prepared "total defense." They even planned on moving to Korea if Japanese fell to the Allies.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Frogger

The estimated casualties run in the millions for the US military alone

That figure is wildly inflated.

Possibly, but the figure has been consistent in the various sources. Then again maybe they all got that from the same place, I can't tell.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
almost all invariably said that the asian comfort women were not paid anything at all at first.

I rather suspect that was the case.

The site you posted was Rosie the Riveteer site. So it would tend to be about the sort of work women did in America during WWII. In Hawaii a number of women worked at getting rivetted so I guess that could go under Rosie the Riveteer.

[Sprayber]

So many experts here 50+ years after the fact.

[KrazyHorse]

So many American apoligists, 50+ years after the fact...

[DanS]

"That figure is wildly inflated."

We had what we thought was a very clear measure of the Japanese at the time. Whether or not that figure was wildly inflated or not says little about its use as justification.

[faded glory]

Remembering Hiroshima..

umm...no. I dont give a flaming bobcat ******* about the city or its people.




I love how every statwh0re, queerboy, and freckled face loser come here and waste there time physco-analzying every little historical detail about my country history.


grow up and get a life. fight over somthing else

If you were as smart as you say you would be out doing somthing else.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Frogger
So many American apoligists, 50+ years after the fact...

Do you notice that our Asian posters approve the Bombs by the most?

[Lord Merciless]

Like I said before, if we really wanted to kill Japanese, we should not have dropped the Bombs, but should have proceeded with the invasion.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Frogger
So many American apoligists, 50+ years after the fact...

How quaint


There are no apologies. We did what we did. It was no worse then what we did to Hamburg or Dresdan or Tokyo.

[Q Classic]

do you also realize that few asians really like the japanese as a whole, while perhaps liking individual japanese people?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DanS
"That figure is wildly inflated."

We had what we thought was a very clear measure of the Japanese at the time. Whether or not that figure was wildly inflated or not says little about its use as justification.

IIRC, the actual number used in reports of the time was lower than some more recent "estimates" that have come out as justification. The original ones were in the neighbourhood of 150-200 000, IIRC.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sprayber


How quaint


There are no apologies. We did what we did. It was no worse then what we did to Hamburg or Dresdan or Tokyo.

That's correct, and none of those actions were right either, but they were understandable (especially given what the world had seen happen to London, etc.)

Like I said (either here or in the other thread: at least the nuclear bombs accomplished something tangible; earlier "strategic bombing" had very little effect on the course of the war...

[DanS]

"The original ones were in the neighbourhood of 150-200 000, IIRC."

This doesn't make sense at all. Okinawa had 50,000 U.S. casualties and about 200K Japanese dead, including 100K civilians.

[KrazyHorse]

I was referring only to US casualties.