Hiroshima Remembered.

[Boris Godunov]

Q, still waiting for that explanation on how Karma somehow works within the framework of artificial human constructs like nationalities.

If you haven't committed a crime, you don't deserve to be punished for one, plain and simple. You can't hold Hiroshima citizens responsible for what happened in Nanking, only those who ordered it and those who participated in it.

[Q Classic]

The Japanese Imperial Army in WWII recruited military prostitutes from Korea. In order to justify the expense, the "women" (girls as young as twelve) were stripped of their ideels serviced up to 250,000 men per month (Bailey 54). Each woman, therefore, had a quota of servicing100 men per day (each man was allotted only three minutes) (60). And, when they tried to raise the price of the three minutes from $3 to $5, the head of the Military Police reprimanded the prostitutes, saying, "the price of meat is still $3."

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~kari/rosie.htm

[Q Classic]

Q, still waiting for that explanation on how Karma somehow works within the framework of artificial human constructs like nationalities.

If you haven't committed a crime, you don't deserve to be punished for one, plain and simple. You can't hold Hiroshima citizens responsible for what happened in Nanking, only those who ordered it and those who participated in it.

the japanese people as a whole were no different from the germans.
in other words, i think the german people are just as guilty of the holocaust as the SS and Hitler, simply because they chose to ignore it, and live without so much as a second thought to the gassing of millions.
the japanese too ignored what was going on in korea. koreans were shipped to japan as slave labor for everything from hazardous construction to the flesh trade. and yet, the japanese people, caught up in the fervor of imperialism, did not care. indeed, the majority of them still don't think they did anything wrong in asia.

passivity or acceptance of such brutal measures is, in this case, as close to abetting it. they are guilty of that.

again, let me make this clear-- i don't think those poor souls in hiroshima deserved it individually. but as a whole, the japanese people did.

why does it apply to nationalities? many things.
religiously, you'll find scores of examples where the sins of the fathers have punishments bestowed upon the children. the fathers being the emperor and minister tojo, the children being the people.
socially, all throughout east asia, specifically the pacific rim, the concept of "i" is quite different. one says "our aunt" for "my aunt"... "our school" for "my school"... "our mom" for "my mom". the people of japan and korea see tend to themselves as a unified whole, a big individual, thanks to their homogeniety. and thus, one ill done to a single person is done to the many.

this is not, i'll admit, the strictest definition of karma. and it's a pity that those single individuals suffered like that in hiroshima. but the people of japan, for their complicity and acceptance of the heinous war crimes of japan in the name of "advancing" and "modernizing" aisa... they were just as guilty as the leaders.

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


One is of the view that the Emperor should not have been allowed to come out smelling of innocent roses, but it is a moot point, as it was realpolitik. (Whilst it is not an apt or fair comparison, one just feels like slipping in the devil's advocate question of "What if Germany offered unconditional surrender in early 1945 with the only condition being the survival of the Fuhrer?". Different situation, but it holds that the survival of the Emperor was not a negotiated condition, but rather something that the Allies gave to the Japanese in a gesture of magnamity.)

I don't recall if Germany has anything like the tale of the 47 Ronin....

[rah]

100 per day, 3 minutes apiece. That really sucks, in too many ways. And I though one every 8.5 minutes was an exageration. Ouch. Monsters.

[Ecthy]

I agree with Boreus on many instances.

You guys are warmongers.

[Lord Merciless]

The bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved millions of lives. If the US really wanted to kill Japanese, we can just keep firebombing their cities, blockading all their food supplies, and finally invading their beaches. The death toll could easily go into tens of millions.

[Ecthy]

bull crap. they saved soldier lives but cost civilian lives.

after what I have read of you guys in other threads, soldiers weren't even human (may I remind of how 'fair game' it is to shoot soldiers that can't defend themselves because of being on a train, a boat, etc.?)

[Imran Siddiqui]

You can't hold Hiroshima citizens responsible for what happened in Nanking, only those who ordered it and those who participated in it.

And the citizens were part of the regime that did it, no? They didn't protest much, IIRC.

they saved soldier lives but cost civilian lives.

Cost JAPANESE civilian lives... saved US soldiers lives. If you are the US, the lives of your soliders is more important that the lives of Japanese civilians.

Truman did the right thing.

[Ecthy]

I'm shocked, Imran

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
bull crap. they saved soldier lives but cost civilian lives.

Maybe what you are saying is bull$hit. Japanese agriculture was not self sufficient and depended on its merchant marines. But since the US shut down Japanese naval transports completely, the resulting famine in the winter of 45/46 would have killed millions due to starvation.

Second, the firebombing of Japanese cities would have continued. Do you know that in a single attack on Tokyo in July 45 more civilians were killed than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined?

Third, should the US invasion ever come, the resulting street to street fightings would probably make every Japanese city a new Stalingrad. Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa already proved what things Japanese could pull.

Save soldier's lives but cost civilian lives?! Bah! Get yourself some facts together before spewing out comments based on hate against Americans.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I'm shocked, Imran

Don't be .

[Ecthy]

ah, you saved millions of japanese civilian lives by dropping an atom bomb, how ironic

[Zoid]

A link to some revisionist historian bull****

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/usgenocide/HiroshimaNagasaki.html

Spit away, DV

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
ah, you saved millions of japanese civilian lives by dropping an atom bomb, how ironic

Well, the alternative was to walk away and leave those in power who had massacred Nanking, bombed Chinese cities with tons of Anthrax, enslaved millions of Koreans in sweat shops, forced thousands of women as military prostitutes, and fooled millions of their own people into certain deaths.

The 2 Atomic Bombs made up the lowest cost for removing one of the most hideous regime in world history.