If you could have stopped WWII, would you?

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
Hyperinflation was not much of a factor in the starting of WWII.

It made Germans poor, and more willing to go to extremes to remedy their situation.

[Dauphin]

The economy had recovered by the late twenties and Hitler had failed to seize control of the government during the height of the hyperinflation period.

The US stock market crash and subsequent world depression was a far greater factor in the rise of the Nazi party and its election in 1933.

[Hagbart]

Re: If you could have stopped WWII, would you?

Originally posted by Kramerman
When you think about it, history has really worked out nicely since then.

Yes for some people it worked out nice afterwards (esp. the USA and later W. Europe and other places), but for a lot of people it was a big loss. Just look at Eastern Europe, which were "invaded" with communism. If that had not happened Eastern Europe would have been alot richer today, today (in the last 15 years or so) they are growing fast and will soon be part of the EU .

[Q Classic]

I really don't have any answer for you, unfortunately - I just proposed that as something I believed would avert WWII. Maybe a war between America and Japan would not have dragged in the rest of the world, in which case, of course, that would have been preferable.

Furthermore, North Korea has been rather brutal itself in its treatment of its people.

but at least in north korea, the government is by koreans. i won't make excuses for that hellhole. but in north korea, they don't ship off their women to be sex slaves on their front lines, which is what the japanese did to the unlucky korean women. they don't force unwilling young men to be their troops on the front line and use them as connon fodder, which is what japan did to the koreans. they don't try try stamp out every last vestige of korean culture, which is what japan tried to do. they don't drag random koreans to be servants for soldiers on the battlefield where they were often treated with no respect, often humiliated by being forced to drink body fluids or just doing dangerously stupid, like the japanese did to the koreans.

north korea's brutality is no different from that of a failing communist state with no alernative.

japan's brutality was like that of the nazis.

[Goingonit]

But Hitler wouldn't have tried to sieze power had Germany not suffered as it did after Versailles.

[Vesayen]

Would this include stopping the rise of Hitler, and the holocaust?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Goingonit
But Hitler wouldn't have tried to sieze power had Germany not suffered as it did after Versailles.

My point was that the US was at fault for Hitlers rise to power and thus WWII.

[Dan Severn]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


My point was that the US was at fault for Hitlers rise to power and thus WWII.

Right, sorry about that.

[Kramerman]

Serb,
you arguements, for the most part (though some do have some merit), are complet and utter horse sh*t that depend on butchering my arguements to even stand up. I stand by everything that I said, and your poor arguements just hilighted your desperetness to try and counter the harsh truth that I said.

I would just like to reiterate that if there was no western front, Nazi Germany could of concentrated all its resources on the Soviet Union and crush it. Perhaps later tonigt, if i get time, i will espose the numorous flaws in your arguements. It would be nice if some people knowlegable on the subject would do some of this in the mean time, a few people already have, I noticed.

Kman

EDIT: I can see why you spent so much time writing. A hollywood writer would need at least that much time to concoct such fiction...

[Lorizael]

All this arguing about who won that really bad war following that first really bad one is great, but the question has yet to be answered.

Obvioulsy one would want to prevent the war in such a way that our present would be at least as good as it is now (btw I didn't actually support keeping the war to save science, I was playing devil's advocate. Nonetheless it is something to think about).

But how do you actually do that? What were the ultimate causes of the war, not just the proximate causes. After we figure out those, we can figure out what the world would be like if those factors were removed. Well, we can try anyway.

I think we'd have to know much earlier than 1914...

[Dr Strangelove]

Not to mention the American destroyers chained together in Pearl Harbor which were actually missle frigates, and the carrier from which Doolittle flew being named after a man who was at the time an administrative assistant in the Navy Department.

[Goingonit]

Lorizael, a good book to read for the causes of WWI (and thus, eventually, WWII) is The Proud Tower by Barbara Tuchman. But technological development, colonialism, and the climate in Europe resulted in WWI, and a very major change in history (like pre-united-Germany) would be needed to avoid it or something like it.

[Dr Strangelove]

If WW2 had not occurred I wonder if colonialism might have survived longer, perhaps even until today. Consider this: much of the scientific development that occurred during the war would have occurred anyway. Computers, plastics, nuclear energy, radar, jet engines were all conceived prior to the war. If WW2 had not occurred in 1939 eventually some sort of east - west war would have happened later. Such a war might have started with nuclear weapons.

[faded glory]

"It made Germans poor, and more willing to go to extremes to remedy their situation."


BS...this had some do to with this yes. The reparations the French and Britian made germany pay. But lest we forget the main reason hitler came to power. Hitler was DEMOCRATICALLY elected.


It is no secret that Germany wanted revenge for the great war. The Versaille treaty, the de-industrialization of germany and the loss of the rhineland.

Why do you think hitler had the french sign the treaty in the same box car ww1 ended?

[Dr Strangelove]

Let's set the record straight by pointing out that most of the onerous and humiliating conditions of the Versailles treaty were vehemently opposed by Wilson. He literally almost fought to the death against punishing Germany severely, since the crusade to win support for his fourteen points nearly cost him his life.