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  • cant be every country for itself. not realistic.

    there will be alliances necessairily.

    im talking about russia + rest of europe against US

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    • Originally posted by paiktis22
      cant be every country for itself. not realistic.

      there will be alliances necessairily.

      im talking about russia + rest of europe against US
      But wait a second... i thought we were talking realism?

      EDIT: Oh, wait, I forgot the whole world would ally against the US. I retrcat my arguement
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      • Originally posted by Kramerman


        exactly, thats why i think it would be a waist of money for the US to build one.

        i agree with you.

        and not onl;y that but it could lead to an arms race


        the system might be good for one errant missile coming to u from say iraq but thats that.


        in a massive nuclear war it will do no good.


        also there is always the dirty bomb.

        that system cannot block that one, and whoever has an interest at detonating radioactive material at you will fort sure use this option

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        • Originally posted by Kramerman


          I think Strangelove is right.
          He is wrong and he can't be right. In case of nuclear war youwill be dead as well as others.

          You wouldn't waist that many nuke on the US. I think you would be too busy worrying about China and Europe.
          We have more then enough nukes (as well as you are) to wipe out ALL LIFE from this planet. In case of attack vs. Russia (and Dr.Strangelove said that USA will attack Russia) we'll launch them all. So, please don't worry your country will turn to dust simultaneously with mine country. And person who beleive that he could win a global nuclear war, at least is moron.

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          • Originally posted by paiktis22
            im talking about russia + rest of europe against US
            Yeah.
            Let's get them.

            A couple of evil Americans personaly promised to teach you and me some manners in that case. I don't want to lose such opportunity.

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            • Anyway I think that USA should return to Mexico all the lands that were not once stolen.
              "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
              Middle East!

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              • There would be two groups of Winners/Survivours
                A) the Cockroaches
                B) The Mighty Ants!!!
                Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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                • This thread is moot. In the event of a FFA WW3, the US would launch its nukes on every country it felt was a threat. Russia would follow suit. That's why WW3 hasn't broken out. Mutually Assured Destruction. In the nuclear age, nobody wins a war.
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • Sava,
                    You really amazed me now. Is it really you who typed this? You are not waiting for WW3 anymore? What about your brilliant ideas about US task forces? Perhaps, you smoked something wrong today?

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                    • Originally posted by Lord Merciless
                      We fought a war on our territory that costed at least 650,000 lives. It was called the Civil War. If I remember correctly, Civil War killed more Americans than all the WWI, WWII, Korean War, and Vietnam War combined. And Atlanta was completely destroyed during the war.

                      North Vietnam was very lucky that it got tremendous helps from both China and USSR. It also got a very smart leadership that understood how to exploit popular sentiment in a democratic state. They successfully painted the US government as the bully and the aggressor in their own people's eyes. It was war weariness that costed the US the war, not the military prowess of the NVA.

                      However, had the North Vietnamese been as stupid and violent as OBL, America would have fought them to the bitter end and would kick their butts into the ground, just like the Japanese some 25 years ago.

                      In a sense, you understand Americans just as little as the Japanese politicians 60 years ago. You probably think that Americans are wimps because we always care about our people's lives so much. But you fail to realize that if there is a cause for war, America and its people are the most dangerous and persistant enemy you will ever encounter.
                      Dear Lord, to understimate the others is a very, very common mistake. I cannot think of one single conqueror who didn't made that mistake.
                      I don't know one single people in the world that when humilated, accept to surrender. Americans didn't, Germans didn't, Vietnamese didn't, Algerians didn't, Russians didn't, Finns didn't and Pals don't.
                      Don't think Americans are different from other people, they are proud as any other people are.

                      If I wanted to paraphrase you, I would say that YOU are doing the same mistake toward Europeans that the japanese made toward you 60 years ago.
                      I would say that you understand very little of Europeans, you think europeans are wimps because they care about other people's live (not only theirs but also other's, something rightists have difficulties to understand).
                      Europe is indeed asleep, but from the same kind of sleep that USA was before WW1 and WW2. Don't wake up the sleeping Europe, you might be surprised.

                      Now about statistics, and your 'bloody' civil war, let's have a look at stats.
                      Here is a link to 'your' wars and 'your' causalties:

                      You'll see that indeed, the civil war is your most bloodiest war, with the higgest toll on the confederate side: 18% deads and 31% of causalties. 1 chance on 2 to return home in one piece. Those were real men.

                      Now let's have a look at 'our' bloodiest war: WW1

                      And the winner is... Austria: 90% causalties, 1 chance on 10 to come back home uninjured... sissies: they surrender.
                      France and Russia second ex-aequo: 76% cuasalties. 1 chance on 4 to come back home in one piece... sissies: big US had to come to save their ass.

                      Compare those stats, and tell me who are those more ready to fight to the last blood? The sissy frenchies who lost 1 men on 6 during that war. Entire French villages empty of males between 16 and 35? Thanks to that beloved nationalism.

                      What is YOUR feeling about the civil war? Do you want it happen again? You liked it? You are proud of it?
                      What do you think are OUR feeling about WW1 and nationalism? You think we are proud of it? You think we want it again?
                      The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.

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                      • Who says anyone can win in such an event?
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                        • *hint* With the same success as you wiped the floor with Vietnam"
                          Started a new thread to address this topic for my own amusement.

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                          • Originally posted by Serb



                            You are too optimistic Dr.Strangelove.
                            Your country will turn to radioactive wasteland after few hours of war. Small part of our nuclear potential, let say 1000 nukes is more then enough for that

                            “War… war never changes…to many humans, but not enough space and resources…within few hours the Earth was almost cleaned of life….the boiling oceans….the human race was almost extinguished….only few survived the devastation in large underground vaults. You were one of them…. “
                            Fallout, the introduction.
                            IIRC both the US and RUssia have severely curtailed their nuclear stockpiles by now. But Russia is not only getting hit by our nukes, but also China's, France's and Britain's.
                            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                            • Originally posted by Serb


                              Yeah.
                              Let's get them.

                              A couple of evil Americans personaly promised to teach you and me some manners in that case. I don't want to lose such opportunity.
                              IIRC the author of this thread specified an international free-for-all, so no alliances allowed.
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                              • You only need aproximately 1500 nukes to destroy Russia. Getting hit by China, France, Britain, and the US arsenal would be overkill on a massive scale.
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