Biggest BS "Disease"

[General Ludd]

Which you yourself admitted was wrong!

I didn't say it was wrong, I said that it's a possibility, 'cause I certainly don't see it as a disease.

But I do have many of the symptons of this "disease", and if I didn't start to take control of my life, or if I didn't have my escapes, I probably would be "debilitated" or suicidal. But it's not a disease, and not something to be cured with a pill.


'though if I have been misdiagnosed, that is nothing but a testimony to what people have been saying in this thread.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Fab. So if you were misdiagnosed with cancer would you argue that it wasn't a disease?

[orange]

Originally posted by Ron Jeremy
I'm sorry Orange, but if you give people access to your password and let them post ill-informed crap like that under your username then what do you expect?

Let me clarify, then. It's overdiagnosed. I was piggybacking on what was already said on the two disorders. Not necessarily saying that both diseases are a crock of **** altogether, only when overdiagnosed. Happy now?

[chequita guevara]

Re: How many times do I need to say this?

Originally posted by Osweld
You're just dramatizing and exagerating it now. And I don't even know where you got that bit about not feeling emotions - that's contraditory to being depressed. (and there is another word for people who have no emotions)

One of the symptom of depression is a lack of emotions. That's where I'm at. My emotions are pretty muted, not too high, not too low, mostly just numb, all of the time.

By the way, drugs for depression do not dope you up. They simply allow you to feel like a normal person. (Zoloft, however, will give you diarhea, though.)

Dan Severn, acid reflux, for those hwo have it, is damned apinful. I was munching 2 extra strength Tums 2-3 times a night. Most importantly, I quit drinking caffene. I also switched to Pepcid AC, and it almost never bothers me anymore. I sleep much better now.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Osweld
But I do have many of the symptons of this "disease", and if I didn't start to take control of my life, or if I didn't have my escapes, I probably would be "debilitated" or suicidal. But it's not a disease, and not something to be cured with a pill.

So you have a mild form of depression. You can function, but do you fully enjoy life? Do you meet your potential?

Depression isn't merely just "feeling" sad. Our best explantion of it right now is that the brains of depressed people simply do not produce enough neurochemicals, most importantly, seratonin. You cannot just will yourself to produce more seratonin. It is a physical condition, just as if you didn't produce enough insulin. But diabeties is a disease, isn't it? So are mental illnesses.

It is something that can be helped by a pill. Zoloft, for example, helps prevent your brain from reabsorbing seratonin, which means that more of it stays in your synapses, where it can do its job. Within two weeks of going on Zoloft I had an amazing experience. I was happy. Really happy. For the first time in as long as I could remember, I was actually enjoying myself.

I eventually took myself off the medicine because of the side effects, but after having been on it for several years, I was okay for a long time. I'm a little down right now, but that's more situational, and simply by going outside and getting a little sun on my face and relaxing in the pool, I can get grounded. I'm much better than I was years ago, because of that little blue pill.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm much better than I was years ago, because of that little blue pill

I didn't know you needed Viagra, che!

[chequita guevara]

Well, you know, the older you get, the more your body betrays you.

[orange]

pretty soon everyone will have "Chronic Impotence Syndrome"

[chequita guevara]

Says the young man whose body still works pefectly. You'll learn.

[Guynemer]

Ahhhh, what would Apolyton be without people spouting off about various topics about which they know jack****.

A large number of you folks are in desperate need of a reality check.

[orange]

no i won't, my penis will work wonders forever

[Bereta_Eder]

I agree with Bugs.

One of my acquintances has maniokatathlipsi. (manic depression?).

If he doesn't take his medecin he will stay awake day and night, day after night, not being able to get any sleep (because he will be in Hyperentasi (overtension?) and end up in the hospital from exandlissi (burn out? - overexaustion?).

With his drugs he can have a normal life.

OTOH I get pissed when people are feeling a bit sad and they say: I am depressed.

No sh!t sherock. Maybe you're "depressed" 'cause your life sucks? Fix it and you'll feel fine.


So there is a fine distinction to be made here. (Actually a fat elephant distinction).

People who need those drugs and people who don't.

For example, if I feel sad I can pay some euros to either get some drug or get out with a girl.

Which one would you choose?

There people who don't need drugs and those who do.

I for myself have been feeling down in the slums now and then but a phone call and a night out usually cures all.

There are people who cannot do that because of brain abnormalities and they need the drugs and then they can have a normal life.

[orange]

nicely put, Paiktis

[Hoek]

The issue of ADD gets right to the heart of a big problem we are facing in medicine. When something like ADD works its way into the society's mentality, it begs the question of what can be classified a disease. Kids were not biologically programmed to pay attention in class. The fact that we as a society have said that not paying attention in class is a "disease" shows that Ritalin is purely being used as a form of coercive conformity. The problem of not paying attention is not a medical problem, it's a social one. Yet, medicine has found a "cure" for it. This absolves children of responsibility for their actions, and parents and teachers of their responsibility to deal with active kids.

Now clearly there are some people who can not live a healthy life due to true ADD, but ask yourself why it is parents pump their kids full of ritalin at the age of 2. Ask yourself why Ritalin is overperscribed to minorities and working class kids.

Depression I think is a similar situation. Clearly there are people who get driven to suicide by depression, and giving them some prozac, if it prevents them from dying, is a good thing. But parents giving their kids prozac when they cry is very dangerous.

The fact is that as a society, we are moving more and more towards materialist explanations for all behavior, and all this does is allow people to absolve themselves of responsibility. It is exactly because people get offended by my saying ADD is BS that we as a society need to get our act together. We need to break medical conflicts of interest, such as doctors who practice and also work for drug companies.

The real question I want to know is, how far are people willing to absolve responsibility? The more we relegate behavior to the medical books, the less of a responsible society we become. We need to start drawing lines in the sand.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
in other words they make medication - orally used - of mere horsepiss?

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