Biggest BS "Disease"

[mindseye]

Depression is an emotion - a part of being human - not a ****ing disease.

Sorry, but you've just proven that you know absolutely nothing about clinical depression. It is certainly not just an emotion. For instance, some clinically depressed feel no emotions at all. None. Now there's a hellish netherworld I hope you never glimpse. Life as an android, not even the little bursts of satisfaction you get from things like eating or looking up at the sky.

There are all sorts of other horrible potential symptoms such as chronic loss of energy, wild changes in sleeping or eating habits, or sexual appetite. Some experience mania, something akin to being handcuffed to a madly whirling merry-go-round.

Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next becomes too much for them to endure, they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life.

It strikes me as rather poor reasoning to take your single unfortunate experience and make universal declarations about an illness that claims thousands of lives annually.

[Blisterz]

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Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next bcomes to much for them to endure, and they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life.

That was really well put.
I have been down that road a few times, and almost ended my life. The hardest part about it is there is no way to show someone what is wrong (like a cut on your arm, or a nail in your foot) so they can help and support you properly. If it was not for my sister I am pretty sure I would be dead by now.

[General Ludd]

How many times do I need to say this?

Originally posted by mindseye
Sorry, but you've just proven that you know absolutely nothing about clinical depression.

Well, considering that I am diagnosed as being such...

For instance, some clinically depressed feel no emotions at all. None. Now there's a hellish netherworld I hope you never glimpse. Life as an android, not even the little bursts of satisfaction you get from things like eating or looking up at the sky.

There are all sorts of other horrible potential symptoms such as chronic loss of energy, wild changes in sleeping or eating habits, or sexual appetite. Some experience mania, something akin to being handcuffed to a madly whirling merry-go-round.

Of course, many experience the horrible sensation of simply being agonizingly, despairingly sad most or all the time - for no legitimate reason. As they feel their lives being steadily sucked down into this black whirlpool, the last thing they need is someone telling them it's crap, it's just an emotion, or they should pull themselves out of it. Tragically, too many really do believe it's their own inability to "get it together", and when they can't, when the psychic pain of just trying to live from one minute to the next bcomes to much for them to endure, and they do the only thing they can to end the pain. They end their life.

You're just dramatizing and exagerating it now. And I don't even know where you got that bit about not feeling emotions - that's contraditory to being depressed. (and there is another word for people who have no emotions)



I think that most of the time, whether people want to admit it or not, it is their lives that make them so miserable. We live in a very unatural enviroment, and our bodies and minds are not designed to cope with modern day life, and it can be very... well, depressing. People who take their lives because of this are probably doing so because they feel that there is no other way out, or that they have no control over their life and are unable to change it - and frankly, most of the time they are right.


I deal with it, as most people in this world do, by escapism - I read a book, play a game, ect... and try to forget that I live in a such a crapy world. Maybe that's not much better then taking a pill and hoping it'll all go away... but atleast I am still in my right mind.

'though I also spend my time trying to think of ways to live a life that I want to in the future... 'tis not easy, though.

[Boris Godunov]

Dr. S-Glad you're around for the medical threads. I was about to speak up about the acid reflux, as my mom suffers from it and I believe she has experience with nexium.

This thread seems like a really bad idea. You're inevitably going to p*ss off a lot off people who may have the very conditions mentioned, and as most of the folks railing against them speak from a position of never having experienced them (i.e. total ignorance), it will be a useless exercise in senslessly making enemies and giving offense.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Osweld- clinical depression is recognised as an organic brain disorder by the WHO. Now, obviously their collective medical experience pales into comparison with your own, but are you sure that what your overworked doctor diagnosed as depression wasn't just you whining like a kid with a smacked arse?

[mindseye]

Well, considering that I am diagnosed as being such...

Which you yourself admitted was wrong! I'm not following your logic here. By your own admission your are generalizing from a single mistaken experience. It's as if I claimed to know that migraines really weren't painful because I was once mistakenly diagnosed with them.

You're just dramatizing and exagerating it now.

I wish! You really need to meet someone who has suffered from clinical depression before you make such ignorant observations. Jeez, how would you know how they feel? I suggest you check out a chatroom on the web. Sounds like you are talking about the normal, everyday depression which everyone feels, not the debilitating medical conditon known as chronic depression.

And I don't even know where you got that bit about not feeling emotions - that's contraditory to being depressed.

Again you make it clear you really don't know much about what you are talking about. Clinical depression can take many forms and have different symptoms for different people. One symptom is the inability to feel pleasure or other emotions of any sort.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by orange


Agreed. However, less than a century ago and before, all of these things existed yet went untreated, and for the most part people made due. We're becoming dependent on medicine for everything...

So we need to return to the good old days of mad old aunts locked in the attic? Or people being bled for "melancholy"? Or paying a penny to have a gawp at the funny lunatics in bedlam? Or the village idiot?

The fact that we had no medicines then doesn't mean that we had an acceptable solution.

[orange]

just because some of us say things are overdiagnosed doesn't mean that we feel they are all a farse

[orange]

i never said any of those things, Laz. Stop putting words in my mouth. I understand you have a sensitivity to the issue, for less than obvious, but somewhat ascertainable reasons, but that doesn't mean that you can simply invent things that I or anyone else has supposedly said.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Best avoid comments like describing depression as "a bull**** disease" in that case.

[orange]

the thread is on bull**** diseases. Discussion has branched onto depression and ADD as diseases. Deal with it.

[Buck Birdseed]

Dan: The left would indeed classify these childrens as victims. But victims of the power-structures in society, victims of the class system, victims of capitalism, whatever. Now, to try to smooth over problems in society by suggesting that such things are natural, or not the your fault, is practically text-book conservatism. Women have less power than men in society? Why, naturally men are more able! Children are becoming little monsters under heavy-handed schooling with no personal touch, lack of parental care because their parents are poor, lack of personal expression, lack of adequate healthcare? Why it can't be any of those things, it must be natural or a disease!

Dr. Strangelove: Perhaps because the notion of DAMP/ADHD entered the Swedish public perception much later, the way it looks from this side of the atlantic is that this is related to less personal care for the children, cutbacks in teachers and school materials, etc. all in decline since the left-wing peak in the seventies.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by orange
i'll place another vote for ADD and "Depression". Crock of ****. People want a quick fix pill for everything...and in most cases, they do nothing...or it's simply the act of taking the pill that makes the people feel better...

I'm sorry Orange, but if you give people access to your password and let them post ill-informed crap like that under your username then what do you expect?

[moomin]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
in other words they make medication - orally used - of mere horsepiss?

Actually, Andz, it's mare horsepiss.

Sorry.

[Aeson]

Depression is very subjective. It doesn't really matter if a person is more or less depressed than another, just how their level of depression interacts with their ability to cope with it. If it's too much for them to deal with, then it's a real problem, and they need help (therapy and/or medication).

We don't know a lot about the function of the brain still, and so there are often misdiagnosis. Myself, I've been diagnosed at one time or another with/as masked depression, manic depression, paranoid delusional, schitzophrenic, and last but not least, psychotic (I forget what subtype... very blurry time). I couldn't very well be all of those things. Some of the more serious symptoms were later recognized as reactions to medication I was on at the time, and so I do understand the problems with promoting popping a pill as a cure. It doesn't mean I should generalize about the effectiveness of medication on other people. Medications do help a lot of people, I just wasn't one of them.