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  • #76
    Agreed.
    But the fact is that no one here REALLY wants to play at the next PC level. It's too damn expensive. Drop the whole box in pure water and run everthing off DDR with flash memory as backup.
    But it's good to dream.
    Pax Superiore Vi Tellarum
    Equal Opportunity Killer: We will kill regardless of race, creed, color,
    gender, sexual preference,or age

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    • #77


      I really want a Pentium 4 version of the nForce 2 -- something that can actually use the dual-DDR memory. Too bad Intel prices licensing too high.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Asher
        UR, his statements contradicted themselves.
        First he says:

        Clearly implying he never skimps on a part.

        Then he says:


        It's not fun trolling Gianny with the second phrase, so I chose the first.
        I see no contradictions you dumb fool.

        While Asher is on his crusade against AMD, with his completely unsupported statements I will just sit back here and laugh!
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #79
          Asher, you b4stard, you are making me agree with Fez, and I HATE THAT ... AMD is much better than Intel I built two computers 4 months ago. One with an Athlon XP 1700+ and one with a P4 1.7 GhZ... both have identical components and the Athlon outperforms the P4, and costed 50 bucks less at the time.

          Intels are more stable for running business apps, but if you want performance for games and a processor that is 50 bucks less for equal performance, then buy AMD. If you want to have that Intel name and the illusion of quality, buy Intel.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #80
            Sava, the Athlons are almost always cheaper. That's AMD's "thing". For a while, they did outperform P4s.

            Intels are now faster for everything, and around the same price if you buy the same speed (like a 2000 P4 + 2000 Athlon). It's just that the Athlon maxes out at 2200 since AMD is rather inept with production, while the P4 is going to launch at 2800(!) in a week or two.

            Look at the benchmarks yourself. AMD isn't going to have a high performing chip until it launches their new Clawhammer chips in early 2003.

            And if both have identical components, you didn't configure your P4 like a high end P4. 4 months ago you should have used RDRAM if you wanted speed, not DDR like the Athlon. Although the brand-new DDR400 systems perform just as well, memory-wise...

            P4s are still faster now, since the "Northwood" core came out. 512KB of L2 cache, 533MHz system bus pushes it over the edge of the Athlon. They're roughly equal performance at the same "rating" now, it's just that Intel has many speed grades above what AMD offers.

            I see no contradictions you dumb fool.
            You honestly don't see any contradictions saying you'll never skimp on any part, then saying you're only buying what you can easily afford?
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #81
              You people have been bickeriing for thee pages now. Do you really thik it's worth it? I think I'm going to get a cup of coffee.
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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              • #82
                I really don't see Fez's point. 'Athlons are faster', when they demonstratably aren't, for the top end?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  You honestly don't see any contradictions saying you'll never skimp on any part, then saying you're only buying what you can easily afford?
                  My budget is high thank you very much... but I wouldn't want to waste my money on ****ty garbage we know as Intel.

                  1.7Ghz Intel Pentium 4 (I think it was) or AMD Althon XP 1600+... was the choice I had when I last upgraded... I chose the AMD for better. I don't want garbage in my computer.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #84
                    There you have it, UR, I chose the right statement to troll.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #85
                      but I wouldn't want to waste my money on ****ty garbage we know as Intel.
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                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #86
                        So? Why the **** would I want to follow some obviously fixed tests? I wouldn't.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #87

                          You're a funny guy, Fez.
                          It's a big conspiracy.
                          Intel is paying off the SPEC people, Tom's Hardware, AnandTech, SharkyExtreme, ExtremeTech (ZDnet), etc. They're all LIARS.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #88
                            You know what I wonder who is making the proper donations to whom here... I wonder...

                            WHY, OH WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT GARBAGE RUNNING IN MY COMPUTER? That is like hard-drives, I avoid Fujitsus going with Maxtors, and avoiding Intel going with AMD.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #89


                              I wonder if you have any concept of the AMD and Intel history...
                              There's a reason why corporations buy Intel even if AMD may be faster and cheaper: "Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel".

                              Can you explain to the class why Intel is **** and AMD is so much better?
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #90
                                Again, why would I want garbage running in my computer? Putting Intel in is like pouring water on my components... no good...
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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