Europeans to use EU flag as a flag icon...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by red_jon


Because I was making the point that just because peoples speak a different language it doesn't mean that they can't further political and economic union.

It won't happen. The EU will just remain a organization and will probably disingrate like Mercosur.

[Ecthy]

Mercosur is run by spics, that's a bad example.

Look, the US of North A were founded by Brit descendants. If anglosaxons can found an entity like that, Ger... continental Europeans sure can do the same

[Ecthy]

our civil war was the 30 years war.

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The EU is a bad idea. The Germans had a good thing going - what with the Wall, Bundesbank and Kohl - and now they just can't wait to give up their identity to become minions of a socialist aggregate. It's amazing what historical gulit can accomplish.

The EU needs to be dismantled, quickly. You want a union? Apply for membership in the US, then

Quick question : Do you live in the Ã…land, moomin?

our civil war was the 30 years war

Bull****. That was the GERMAN civil war.

[Sava]

Europe's weak attempt to unite and become somewhat comparable to the US. Good luck

[Ecthy]

I trolled Tumosomething

[moomin]

Originally posted by Stefu
What is your problem with EU, moom?

Looking from Scandinavian perspective, EU's positively capitalistic. Why, just look at the opposition. In Finland, that consists of good old Soviet bootlicker and toadeye Paavo Väyrynen, upset about his party's diminished ability to conduct agricultural policy by taxing the city and dumping the money in one giant hole in the ground, and yakking ex(?)-communist Esko Seppänen, seeing the evil NATOgoblin behind every corner, ready to set it's neo-liberal claws on what should have been the Western part of Karelo-Finnish SSR.

In Sweden, the EU opposition is mostly the usual suspects as well - the commies and the neo-nazi.

Still, while it's true that the Union represents somewhat of an improvement from a strictly Scandinavian point of view it does not outweight the Union is a huge step in the socialist direction for Europe as a whole. There is no accountability on the European level, the agricultural policies suck beyond belief - and won't be reformed any time soon despite all the hot air - the European appointment policies are a nationalistic disgrace (witness the amusing bickering over the next Eurobank head), the Union has displayed it has no respect whatsoever for election results going against the Social Democrat agenda (witness the horrifying litte freakshow they staged over the Austrian elections). And so on, ad infinitum.

In short, the EU, as implemented, combines French effeciency with Soviet respect for democracy and Scandinavian-style economic policies. I support the single market, but that's about it.

A European Union could be a good idea. This particular one isn't. We need to nip it in the bud, lest it devour us all.

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by frostycreep
Im not a fan of europe, and i hope england doesnt join the euro. I cant see europe ever becoming some superstate, too many differant opinions on stuff.

Now that's funny coming from an Englishman! I think Ireland and Scotland surely disagree with the english on a lot of matters but it's one UNIFIED country, right?

Anyway I think that the different point of views is our strenght.

I go for the Union.

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Do you live in the Ã…land, moomin?

[Ecthy]

moomin: "...and all that under German rule" was missing.

[JohnIII]

Originally posted by The Pioneer
Now that's funny coming from an Englishman! I think Ireland and Scotland surely disagree with the english on a lot of matters but it's one UNIFIED country, right?

Ireland? You mean Ireland where they use Euros?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Mercosur is run by spics, that's a bad example.

And the EU is any different?

I think it is a perfect example and fits perfectly. Mercosur is breaking apart because of trade problems between the well-off Chile and the worse off Brazil and Argentina. Same thing will happen in the EU.... little disputes will cause the "so called union" to fall apart. Ten years I give it.

Look, the US of North A were founded by Brit descendants. If anglosaxons can found an entity like that, Ger... continental Europeans sure can do the same

Watch it pal. The Spanish and Italians are a lot more conservative than a country like Germany.

[moomin]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu
Do you live in the Ã…land, moomin?

No need to shout, Tuomerehu.

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No need to shout, Tuomerehu. I'm a Ã…land national, yes.

Sorry, got annoyed when didn't got answer.

[moomin]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
moomin: "...and all that under German rule" was missing.

"... and all that paid by Germans", perhaps. Your elected representatives have failed miserably to exert an political influence matching your economic commitment to the EU.