Osama bin Laden is dead

[moomin]

Yes, because asking the Islamofascist to refrain from terror is just so humiliating, innit? It's their Allah-given right to blow up civilians after all.

[Sirotnikov]

Roland, I want to comment on that.

The problem with versailles is double.

First, it was indeed very humiliating and cruel.
Second, it was almost not enforced.

So basically, you have done enough to create hatred and rage, but then failed to enforce it. You werent' consistent, which is exactly what is hapenning now.

No matter what path you choose you must be consistent.

It's possible that WWII wouldn't have happenned if there wasn't Versailles. But it is also true that WWII wouldn't have happenned if Versailles had been actually enforced on Hitler.

Also remember that the post-WWII situation in Germany wasn't that much better. Germany was infact humiliated. It was presented to itself as not only a loser, but a vicious and cruel people. All of it's leaders were publically trialed and executed.

If anything, according to your theory, WWIII should have arised.

But it hasn't - because your theory isn't exact and isn't complete.

What prevented WWIII was that German expantionism and naziism was crushed. Completely. First using Military force, and then using Education and Commerce.

And this is what we are not doing with Islam. We have crushed them militarily in Afghanistan. But anti-western Madrasas are still very active in every musim country. Heck - even England has a madrasa paradise. I specifically recall several muslim preachers warning the UK, that there are as they defined it "terrorist schools" in England's madrasas.

It is that approach of not finishing what you started, that caused WWII.

[Chris 62]

Siro, your drawing the wrong conclusion from history.

At the end of WWI Germany was treated as a villain and knew it wasn't.

At the end of WWII they knew they were.

[Ned]

Bin Laden, Hitler and Elvis live!

[Boris Godunov]

Germany wasn't humiliated after WWII, they were chastened. The revelations of the horrors of the Holocaust is what made the difference.

WWI wasn't Germany's fault, but it was impossible to deny that WWII was a war begun by Hitler.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Siro, your drawing the wrong conclusion from history.

At the end of WWI Germany was treated as a villain and knew it wasn't.

At the end of WWII they knew they were.

Actually, I think you're both right.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
WWI wasn't Germany's fault, but it was impossible to deny that WWII was a war begun by Hitler.

I will.

WWII was started by the Japanese invasion of China in 1937.

[Arrian]

Heh. People often forget about that whole "Pacific theatre" thingy.

-Arrian

[Chris 62]

Nope, Musolini invaded Abyssinia in 36.

[Boris Godunov]

Ok folks, back to reality...and stop jacking my thread.

[Roland]

Originally posted by moominparatrooper
Yes, because asking the Islamofascist to refrain from terror is just so humiliating, innit? It's their Allah-given right to blow up civilians after all.

You managed to put an amazing amount of bollocks into a sentence that short.

There is Islam, Islamism and Islamist terrorism. Islam is no problem. Islamism is a cultural problem. And Islamist terrorism is a police and partly military problem.

Following a one-sided pro-Israel policy, blahing about crusades or invading Iraq because it's an old family feud addresses those problems how ?

[Roland]

Siro:

"First, it was indeed very humiliating and cruel."

How was it cruel ?

"Second, it was almost not enforced."

It was until the late 20s.

"If anything, according to your theory, WWIII should have arised."

I didn't present a theory. I replaced a silly analogy with a remotely appropriate one.

What is that ("my") theory ?

"And this is what we are not doing with Islam. We have crushed them militarily in Afghanistan. But anti-western Madrasas are still very active in every musim country."

We (who exactly ?) shall militarily crush and then reeducate "Islam" ?

"It is that approach of not finishing what you started, that caused WWII."

On that level, I can say according to your theory, we should have had WW III because the Morgenthau plan was not finished.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ok folks, back to reality...and stop jacking my thread.

I think OSB is dead. Too bad no one got the reward.

[Boris Godunov]

I will present a gen-u-ine OBL bone fragment, I guarantee, for $10 million dollars...

[Sava]

No, the Predator was an alien hunter who has come to Earth for hundreds of years hunting humans. He sees primarily in infared and has advanced technologies. Arnold Schwarzenegger killed one and Danny Glover almost did.