Africa, does anybody still care?

[Tingkai]

There are four areas that should be focused on:
1) Ongoing emergency relief for droughts and famines. 2) Greater peacekeeping efforts to stop ongoing wars
3) Reducing arms sales; and
4) Long-term programs with specific targets and guaranteed funding from the west.

The most important thing to recognize is that things won't change overnight, and development requires a unified effort with specific goals. All too often, development projects are created on an ad hoc basis with different organizations working seperately and without a common goal. This is true outside of Africa as much as it is inside Africa.

A possible solution might be to pair up a developed country with a lesser developed country. The two countries could, for example, create a 20-year education plan with specific targets. The developed country could provide teachers and administrators with the goal of helping the local people to eventually replace expats.

Similar programs could be done in other areas.

The important thing is to provide experts on a long-term, but temporary basis with the goal of training local people to replace the foreign experts.

[The Pioneer]

I try to keep myself informed on Africa but I've never been there and I am not sure I would like to vist. Of course a problem exists down there but we shall not forget that change starts within. Meaning that they should strighten their act before we even start to help them. Part of my tax money like most of yours finds its way to the African continent but I disagree with such practice. Africa is very divided and has a fundamental political problem that we can not solve for them. Of course there are countries that things are ok and of course europeans did a lot of bad down there but when time came and they pulled out what was left was more chaotic (in most instances) than before.


So I say:

Africa we care and we want to help but you have to try to help yourself first.

[Ramo]

Debt amnesty combined with the dismantling of our trade barriers and fixing our intellectual propery laws would do wonders for Africa.

[lightblue]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Scientists are saying that they will be releasing an AIDS Vaccine in 5 years, they said it works on Monkeys.

It doesn't work on the main African variant though, but rather on the one that is prevalent in Western countries.

[Deathwalker]

Why do we always have to medal I agree that we should get rid of there dedt. But some countries like Zimbabwe will use our interferance as justification for making things worse. Can't any of these countries solve there own problems. Or is the only solution us dictiating a solution

[Dr. Stiby]

Originally posted by Deathwalker
Why do we always have to medal I agree that we should get rid of there dedt. But some countries like Zimbabwe will use our interferance as justification for making things worse. Can't any of these countries solve there own problems. Or is the only solution us dictiating a solution

You can not blame a country as a whole for the acts of one single man. Robert Mugabe is perhaps the best example of a man who singlehandedly ruined a once relatively wealthy country. Reducing Africas debt will definetely help them recover as their interest payments are leding them into a vicious circle.
You must not forget that Zimbabwe has only been independent for 22 years and all this time Mugabe has been thair president. It would be unrealistic to expect a nation to turn into a westernlike democracy in such a short amount of time.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by philippe666
Africa is the Middle east of Tommorow.
In congo(a former Belgian colony.)Women are getting raped and murdered on very cruel ways.
Example:A woman came to her village becuase she was just about to marry.Some rebels storm in the village and starts raping and killing everyone.Then they come to that women chop off her hands ,chop off her breasts(tits for the dummies) She still strongly resists.A rebel takes a knife and stab it in her head.
Other reports are from getting killed by getting a gun into their vagina (C.U.N.T for the dummies) and then the man shoots and after 15-20 minutes of cruel pain the woman dies from bleeding.
But we allow it becuase they got control of some important resources for us to make GSM's...

And this should prove...what? We already have a bunch of stupid ass trolls here. We don´t want another. People do know these things, they just shut their ears and count their money. No amount of vulgarity on your part can change that.

If you are too blatantly provocative noone will listen

[Carver]

Re: Re: Africa, does anybody still care?

Originally posted by Sikander
Mugabe and company whose violence, lawlessness, racism and upcoming genocide infuriate almost every segment of western political society.

I enjoyed your post but racism? What racism has Mugabe demostrated? There is a lot of land in Zimbabwe which has been stolen from its proper owners, Mugabe is returning that land, he is enforcing private property rights - which is what a government is supposed to do in a capitalist system. Excuse me but many whites are very quick to yell racism when the shoe is on the other foot.

[moomin]

Africa will eventually become a decent place to live. The steps we in the West can take are:

1) Drop tariffs on agricultural produce. Both the EU and the US are big sinners in this respect.

2) Stop the direct loans to African governments - no more propping up corrupt dictators. Aid should come in the form of support to local business only - and be under direct Western supervision. No African goverment should get another cent of Western taxpayer's money.

3) Offer programs of mass education about hygiene, safe sex and birth control in exchange for democratisation. African countries recieving this support should have to present annual progress in respect to democracy and free elections, respect for human rights and respect for a free press.

[chequita guevara]

I think it needs to be remembered that the West is in large part responsible for the mess in Africa. Leaving aside the horrors of the colonial period, the Cold War saw the US topple numerous democracies which weren't sufficiently hostile to the Soviets, which led to the rise of African-Marxist resistence movements which were often as bad as the cure.

The West sets the prices of the commodities that Africa produces. The West largely owns the companies that produce Africa's commodities. (The whole point of decolonization is to hold on to your property while giving the locals their own governmet. They pay for the government, you keep the profits.)

Then there's the debt trap, the medical patents, the agricultural subsideies, etc. Africa's also a dumping ground for Europe's toxic waste, for medicines that can't be used in the West because they are to dangerous, etc.

Which isn't to say that Africa isn't partly responsible for its own mess.

[El Civ]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
I think what most are assuming here is that African's want the same things we do. They want jobs, cars, families, homes, cities, techno convienecies, industries, etc.

Who says they want any of this? How is imposing our values on these cultures any different for the "re-education and relocation" of the South Vietnamese during the Vietnam Conflict? How is it any different than the "re-education" of Native American's during the 18th and 19th century? Why stop with African's? Why not bring WalMart to the Aboriginies while you're at it? Why not reign in the Innuites too?

What makes you so certain the your/our way of life is what these people want?

Well said, WE. This might be the most lucid post in this thread. I find it ironic that many will call upon the west to fix these problems and even blame the west for them existing. I won't doubt the west's influcence in the creation of the problem but the solution is not for western liberals with self-inflicted guilt (self-righteous guilt might be more appropriate) to step in and tell these people how they should now live their lives so they too may become caring and oh-so moral.

The various tribes that make up Afghanistan have been warring with one another for thousands of years. Now we believe we can install a stable, centralized government in that nation?! Africa, Afghanistan and other such nations/regions will become more stable only when the denizens there wish for it to happen.

[Heresson]

Does someone? I don't.
OK, Ok,
Just don't let them immigrate to Europe or States, this won't help Africa.

[Carver]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
the Cold War saw the US topple numerous democracies which weren't sufficiently hostile to the Soviets

The most enraging examples of this were in Zaire (DR Congo) and Angola. Many poeple say we shouldn't waste money on aid to Africa. Well the IMF and World Bank wanted to end funding to Mobutu's Zaire (which he was running into the ground) but the Reagan Administration wouldn't let them.

In Angola, they had a civil war which lasted from 1975-76. Until the CIA and apartheid South Africa went back in and restared the war becuase they didn't like the MPLA government.

[nationalist]

Africa would probably be better off if it was still divided amongst the Imperial powers.

[chequita guevara]

Yeah, cuz they did such a damn good job the first time around.