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**Roland** · July 8, 2002, 10:02

That's: "Mark, that...."

Dino: About 50 % is north sea oil. What are "imports" in your source ? ex-EU ?

**DinoDoc** · July 8, 2002, 10:07

Originally posted by Roland
Dino: About 50 % is north sea oil. What are "imports" in your source ? ex-EU ?

Page not found – Medea

http://www.medea.be/site.html?page=2&lang=en&doc=776

If you know of a better source, please share it. I'm not sure how good this one is.

**MarkG** · July 8, 2002, 10:11

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It's not my fault that you are leaching off the past glories of your Spartan betters.

i'll have to repeat my suggestions, it seems...

**Roland** · July 8, 2002, 10:20

No big contradiction there, I just wonder about the big difference in 1998/99 there. Add namely UK north sea oil as EU production... and the import of refined products, which makes the streams difficult to follow.

I have some numbers here compiled by exxon and german stats, but only in print.

**Roland** · July 8, 2002, 10:22

mark: forget about the spartan thing - I still wonder what your ancestors had to do with it....

**MarkG** · July 8, 2002, 10:24

I still wonder what your ancestors had to do with it....

**DinoDoc** · July 8, 2002, 10:28

Originally posted by MarkG
i'll have to repeat my suggestions, it seems...

I know the history, Mark. The Athenians and Spartans were the ones responsible for the defeat of the Persians, not the Macedonians. So why are you gloating about the Persian Wars when your ancestors had nothing to do with thier conclusion?

**The Pioneer** · July 8, 2002, 10:30

Markos,

I like your new signature!

Problem is though with the people spending so much time on this Forum, there is hardly any free time to actually read an accurate history book

.

Besides the fact that there are no accurate books out there...

**MarkG** · July 8, 2002, 10:32

please try to put a smiley or two in your trolls

unless of course you want to open a serious discussion, in which case feel free to start the thread....

and to get you started

http://history.macedonia.gr/main.html

**JohnIII** · July 8, 2002, 10:38

Originally posted by Roland
Btw, what's this american obsession with dissing europe ? If The US were only half as great as Safire claims, why bother about what we say or think?

I agree. It's like England and Scotland: the Scots always want England to fail, and gloat when we lose, but we are really ambivalent about them, because we KNOW that we are better.

**DinoDoc** · July 8, 2002, 10:40

We can start the discussion with you telling me where this page is contradicted by your source. Given that your page doesn't have a search function, it will make things easier for both of us.

**Ned** · July 8, 2002, 11:05

The one thing I think is very true is that the Euro's are in love with sanctions, while the US has grown disillusioned with them. I think they may work with democracies, ala South Africa. But they have proven to be dismal failures with Castro and Saddam.

I don't know what Bush Sr. was thinking ten years ago, but if he thought that containment plus sanctions would work with Saddam, then history has proven him wrong.

**Roland** · July 8, 2002, 11:10

The US is more sanction happy than us.

Cuba, Iran, Lybia, Syria. The EU has very limited to no sanctions on those compared to the US.

Then "Certification" in latin america.

And if Apartheid south africa was a democracy then I've got a tunnel to sell.

**Victor Galis** · July 8, 2002, 11:19

[nationalist mode]
They got overrun. We stopped the Turks. And you all should be thaaaaaankful. Without us you'd all be speaking turkish now. Where's that gratitude ? Bring it on!
[/nationalist mode]

-Fat load of good that did us.

**Roland** · July 8, 2002, 11:26

[nationalist mode]
Unthankful bastards.
[/nationalist mode]

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