Free speech and dead babies

[CyberGnu]

Lincoln, it doesn't have to be private property. The goverment can deny an art exhibit on public property, as well.

Where is the line between art and free speech? I would have to say that images which have nothing to do with the question should be considered art.

If I protest the fur industry and have images of animals being skinned alive, that would be free speech. If I protest the fur industry and have images of a concentration camp, it would be art...


Of course, you could claim that the protestors are trying to advance their view that dead tissue looks revolting, and they just happen to use aborted fetuses instead of cancer lumps etc. That is what their posters should say then, right?

[Sirotnikov]

The fetus is 21 weeks old. The picture is of an operation that took place while the baby was still in the womb. During the operation the little fella reached out and held on to the surgeon's finger.

And this quality camera and lighting were there just in case it happens?

[CyberGnu]

Or a school, for that matter. No one requires schools to allow people to put up pictures of genitalia, for example.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
Lincoln, it doesn't have to be private property. The goverment can deny an art exhibit on public property, as well.

Where is the line between art and free speech? I would have to say that images which have nothing to do with the question should be considered art.

If I protest the fur industry and have images of animals being skinned alive, that would be free speech. If I protest the fur industry and have images of a concentration camp, it would be art...


Of course, you could claim that the protestors are trying to advance their view that dead tissue looks revolting, and they just happen to use aborted fetuses instead of cancer lumps etc. That is what their posters should say then, right?

It's not art to those who think differently then you

is it art to show pictures of the palestinians being in conflict with the Israelis?

no it is trying to get a point across

so is this

show some intellegience

Jon Miller

[CyberGnu]

Sava,

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Sava
I think those people are fanatics, but their protests are protected. Instead of sending them to jail, I'd much rather pee in water balloons and throw them at the protesters.

perhaps a counter protest would be more appropriate than acting like a child

Jon Miller

[CyberGnu]

palestinians are undoubtly involved in the conflict.

what merit does the visual appearance of dead tissue have?

[Jon Miller]

the same merit a picture of a dead palestinian would have

Jon Miller

[CyberGnu]

*re-phrased*

what point is it that they want to get across?

[CyberGnu]

A dead palestinian would show that palestinians are being killed in the conflict, and that palestinians are people just as you and me (which many pro-israelis seems to have forgotten). Thus it is a valid point.

[Jon Miller]

that someone who once was living is now dead

the same point a picture of a dead palestinian would have

Jon miller

[CyberGnu]

But a fetus isn't someone, hence the lack of value.

So the only point that remains is that dead tissue can look gross. Wow... Would never have guessed that...

[Jon Miller]

a dead baby would show that babies are being murdered before their birth, and that babies are people jsut like you and me (whiich many, including it seems you, have forgotten). Thus it makes a valid point.

But what business is it of yours to determine whether it makes a valid point or not, doesn't free speech imply that they have the right to speech and others have the right to form an oppinion (in other words, to determine if it has a valid point)?

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by CyberGnu
But a fetus isn't someone, hence the lack of value.

So the only point that remains is that dead tissue can look gross. Wow... Would never have guessed that...

but you are presupposing your position

you are saying, you can have free speech, but only if you agree with me

this is not free speech, this is dictatorship

Jon Miller

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

The fetus is 21 weeks old. The picture is of an operation that took place while the baby was still in the womb. During the operation the little fella reached out and held on to the surgeon's finger.

And this quality camera and lighting were there just in case it happens?

Many operations are filmed for training purposes. This one especially because it was a unique operation.