The Mirror denounces the US as the rogue state

[COckney]

nep

[cia]

Unfortuantely inhumane is a relative term. In a country where everyone fights for necessities, the US is a convenient target of hatred (rightly or wrongly). This creates an atmosphere of hatred reinforced by the teachings of the government.
This thereby causes much of the sorrow inflicted on civilians.

[Bereta_Eder]

(Greek mythology is so cheery )

[Bereta_Eder]

Nemesis is the price for Hybris which is in fact excess pride or excess success in such a point that it offends the Gods who then proceed in destroying you utterly.

But I doubt you did that, you forwarded your interests in an inhumane way, and you are not the only ones or the worse in doing that unfortunately.



Narcissism is the excess admiration of your self's beauty.

Narcissus spent his days gazing and admiring his reflexion on a serene lake.

So much was his admiration for himself that he lowered his head to kiss his own reflexion on the water.

He lost his step and drawn.

[cia]

If I remember right (improbable on 6 shots of tequila) it will involve much rock pushing.
See, I was right. That's Narcissist by my recollection. What was the punishment for excess pride?

[Bereta_Eder]

I wouldn't call it hybris though. Hybris is to provoke the Gods. I doubt you did something like that. Besides the price for Hybris is Nemesis and I doubt anyone would want that for you

[Bereta_Eder]

edit: ok (just read your reply)

[cia]

I agree paiktis22.
I think the US government should leave those people alone. It's hubris that got us in there, but it has to be common sense that gets out, not the status quo.

[Bereta_Eder]

A political or religious point, right...

So if you overthrow a democracy somewhere in Latin America and someone retaliates at you it is a political or religious statement?

Get real.

And that man has as much the right to protect his children as you do.

[cia]

Of course I feel sorry. I have an eight-year-old and eleven-year-old. I can understand what it would be like to lose a child. But I damned well will not lose mine so some ******* can make a political or religious point. I'll take their children first if it is the only way. Deal with that.

[Bereta_Eder]

So you feel sorry.
glad you got off your high horse so I can get off mine.

[cia]

Of course I feel sorry. I think killing is ridiculous.
But I am also well aware there are very bad people about in the world. These people do not wear uniforms and do not identify themselves. So many innocents end up dying for nothing. It sucks. But it's reality. I happen to live somewhere that has the country's biggest power nuclear reactor nearby. I have the iodine pills for my kids to prove it. Does it suck? Yes. But I deal with it. The Europeans don't have smart bullets which don't hit civilians anymore than the US does, so get off your high horse and deal with it paiktis22.

[Bereta_Eder]

It would be impossible to mourn for civilians cia wouldn't it?

You would have to go against your government policies in order to do that.

I think it is sad that you don't feel sorry for civilians killed.

And this is no trolling.

The US goes to countries and kills people who are civilians. You can justify it all you want but I doubt it is chivalrous of you to say that you don't feel sorry.

[cia]

Spiffor,
I think Dresden WAS heinous, but the Germans didn't surrender after that, did they?
I also think that the deaths at the WTC were NOT special, as they were the first attack in a war that was due to come. Therefore, I do not mourn over the loss of 'civilians' in Afganistan unless it was due to error (i.e. dropping food supplies and killing people under them) in which case I think the US should do all it can to make it up to those people it hurt or their survivors.

[Spiffor]

Every time I see a thread bashing the US, I see the same pattern :
- Euros talk foul about what the US has badly done.
- Americans (or Yank posers) say it wasn't bad at all, it was good, or at least justified. Some Americans are exceptions.
- Knowing they have done the best thing to do, the Americans say Euros talk foul because they're jealous, given that America is so great.
- Flames become various then.

I'm pretty sure 80% of Americans would defend the unforgivable firebombing of Dresden.

Another thing I find great is the "it's war, it's normal" argument. I don't know if you see this, but that's extremely arrogant : the Americans almost never had war fatalities on their territory (comapred to any other country in the Eurasian world), and when they had, it was considered as an incredible drama the whole world should mourn : Alamo, Pearl Harbour, WTC. (none of them match with the horrors Japanese soldiers did in Nanking).

People living in North America don't know what it is to lose cicilian people because of a war, except for the WTC (face it, for Al Qaeda and those who think alike, there's a war going on against America).
Curiously enough, I didn't hear any American saying "I lost my wife in the WTC, but that's war, that's normal". I don't see why we should tell this to Afghanis.


Paiktis : if you're looking for a troll, create two threads : one saying "civilian deaths in Afghanistan are normal", the other saying "civilian deaths in WTC are normal". You'll face some wrath