A note of thanks to the USA from one of the more grateful Europeans.

[Lemmy]

As for you, "Komrad", do a little study work into the Soviets, and see if you still think Communism is such a hot idea and if that avatar is so cute.

Just that the Soviets where communists, doesn't mean that every communist has to be a Soviet, or agrees with their ways.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Lemmy


Just that the Soviets where communists, doesn't mean that every communist has to be a Soviet, or agrees with their ways.

And only one nation used a hammer and sickle in a red star.

Now, which one was that?

[notyoueither]

How about Mao?

Sorry, no favorite of Marx has ever got it right. Or can you point to the messiah?

[Lemmy]

and who says a communist regime has to be like any of the failed ones?

There are gentler ways of doing things, you're right, there where no succesfull communist countries, most of them were ruled by madmen, not persons who really care about their people.

Chris, i'm not talking about the symbol, i'm talking about the comparison you're making, Soviets = Communism = Soviets.

[notyoueither]

20 or 30 million citizens dead... strike 30 million, you're out!

[Lemmy]

do you really think a prerequisite for communism is the death of millions of civilians?

[notyoueither]

It's been the record.

[Lemmy]

but do you think it?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Lemmy
do you really think a prerequisite for communism is the death of millions of civilians?

Lenin thought so.

He wrote of the strategy of terror as a way to control the masses.

Mao also believed in this, and Stalin killed through his paranoia.

In fact, as has been said, there has yet to be a benevolent Communist state, and I believe that the concept is flawed, the world that Marx and Engels invisioned never arose.

No communist state has ever allowed a free press, freedom of expression, or allowed any idea into it's midst.

Hard to understand why people still find this appealing, the concept that your work is not your own and the state is all is alien to me.

[notyoueither]

Yes. I have to judge on the record.

Communists are in a hurry to get things done. They are not very tolerant of those who get in their way. They waste a lot of their own people in the process. Waste means 'dead' in too many cases.

How about this? If your ideas have such historical significance behind them... win a fair vote in a mature democracy... It's never happened.

The Marxists simply lurk in the background, waiting for the opportunity to impose their view of history by the bayonet.

Sorry. Despite some of the high ideals that Marx represents (not alone BTW) that is what has happened in his name.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Lemmy
but do you think it?

Are all communists evil and out to kill millions of people. No

Has communism produced a country that has not ended up as mearly another dictatorship? Why don't you answer that one.

[Lemmy]

*sigh*

Originally posted by Lemmy
There are gentler ways of doing things, you're right, there were no succesfull communist countries, most of them were ruled by madmen, not persons who really care about their people.

[notyoueither]

Lemmy, what do you want us to judge your views on, if not the record?

[Lemmy]

the theories, but i must add, i don't fully support communism, or capitalism fpr that matter, i just wanted to point out that not all communists do it, or want to do it the Soviet way.

[notyoueither]

Good point. And I must point out that I don't know many 'pure' capitalists. None at all in fact IRL.

Most agree that government has some place in governing things.

The interesting bit is that Marx had his effect, even if it wasn't what he envisioned.