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    The United States labored 10 years to bring about the recent trial in the Pan Am bombing case. US officials worked overtime to arrest the suspects now on trial in New York for bombing two US embassies in Africa in 1998. And serious efforts are under way to find the culprits in attacks on US targets in Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

    But there's a gap in this pattern. We should devote similar attention to the longest series of unsolved anti-American terrorist attacks in the world - those in Athens. This problem will assume critical urgency with the approach of the 2004 summer Olympics scheduled for Athens.

    The first attack, a brutal murder, took place more than 25 years ago, and the left/nationalist group called "November 17" has remained active ever since. Under a banner of opposing liberal democracy, capitalism, and foreigners, the group has tried to kill more than a hundred Americans. Sadly, five US Embassy officials are dead.

    The toll is so low only because for years the US has spent more taxpayer dollars for diplomatic security in Greece than anywhere else in the world, money badly needed to protect other posts.

    In part because the US Embassy is a forbidding fortress, the terrorists have shifted their murderous attentions, killing British and Turkish diplomats and bombing the German and Dutch embassies. They have also killed or wounded prominent Greeks and attacked numerous businesses, many of them American.

    By the grim standards of modern terrorism, November 17 is a modest threat. It should have been put out of business long ago. But it has recruited new, younger assassins and greatly expanded its range of weapons and explosives. Its success has encouraged copycat activities, with more than 100 bombings in Athens just last year by a plethora of groups.

    The problem is Greek government passivity. Despite scores of attacks - many with eyewitnesses - there have been no arrests. No suspects have even been identified. Many Western countries have faced radical leftists, but only Greek law enforcement has zero accomplishments.

    Few Greeks believe police failure is an accident. Repeatedly, key information about investigations is leaked to the tabloid newspapers. Last fall, six months of hard work by some of Scotland Yard's best investigators - sent to Greece after the murder of the British defense attaché in June - was exposed in two Athens dailies. The information could come only from inside the "elite" counterterrorist forces.

    Time and again, witnesses who have given police "secret" testimony have received threatening phone calls or seen their cars firebombed by way of warning. Why should anyone help the police when they can expect their identity to be in terrorist hands in short order?

    Washington bends over backwards not to antagonize friendly governments, but last year gave Greece failing grades in the security field three times. In May the State Department's annual report on global terrorism specified Colombia and Greece as the two most problematic countries.

    In June, a bipartisan National Commission on Terrorism identified 146 anti-American terrorist attacks in Greece (all unsolved) over 25 years and recommended Greece and Pakistan be subject to legal sanctions for failure to cooperate. In December the Federal Aviation Administration gave Greece a failing grade in aviation security standards, not related to November 17 but symptomatic of the overall security problem.

    Then, on Feb. 7 CIA Director George Tenet told a Senate committee of "a major vulnerability" of the 2004 Olympics scheduled for Athens, saying Greek authorities "need to take this terrorist threat far more seriously than it's been taken in the past."

    During three years in the US Embassy in Athens, I learned the hard way why official cooperation with Greek security authorities has so far accomplished nothing. A top Greek law-enforcement official told me his agency intended to "wait out" the terrorists, hoping they would give up and retire. A political-level official of the Foreign Ministry bluntly told me Greece has nothing to fear from Washington because his ministry exercises more influence on Capitol Hill than does the State Department. Last year, a senior editor of the most respected daily paper in Athens dismissed November 17 as an American problem, not a Greek one.

    The official approach is to belittle the problem abroad to protect the important tourism industry rather than enforce the law at home.

    The Bush administration must treat anti-American attacks in Greece as no different from terrorism elsewhere. To start, it should tell Greek leaders it could not certify Athens as safe for American athletes and fans during the 2004 Olympics if November 17 is not destroyed.

    The danger of the national humiliation that would follow an American boycott should convince Athens at last that terrorism requires action rather than rhetoric. Greek authorities can deal with this problem if they want to, and Washington should make certain they do.

    • E. Wayne Merry, a former State Department and Pentagon official, is a senior associate at the American Foreign Policy Council in Washington.


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    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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  • #2
    US, British, Dutch and German embassies are under assault with the implicit consent of the government and Greece is part of the EU and NATO?

    The US, NATO and the EU should give these Greeks an ultimatum. Become civilized or else.

    The possibility of pulling their NATO membership with a "friendly" Turkey on their borders should send a chill up their arrogant leftist spines.
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    • #3
      The Washington Times, Tuesday, September 10, 1996

      Greek Spy Agency Tied To Terror Group

      By Bill Gertz

      U.S. intelligence has uncovered evidence linking the Greek government to covert training for an international terrorist group that until recently operated on a Greek island, according to CIA sources.

      The Greek government, through its National Intelligence Service, took steps last month to curb its backing for the anti- Turkish Kurdistan Worker's Party, a terrorist group known as the PKK, the sources disclosed to The Washington Times.

      The PKK is a Marxist- Leninist group that since that early 1970s has sought to set up a separate Kurdish State in Southeastern Turkey, an area predominantly inhabited by ethnic Kurds.

      The group also receives safe haven and aid from Syria, Iraq and Iran and has turned to urban terrorism in the past few years, according to the State Department .

      It has been credited with scores of bomb attacks in Europe and Turkey since the early 1990s, making it among the most active international terrorist groups, the department's annual global terrorism report
      stated.

      The evidence of Greek complicity in sponsoring an international terrorist unit could lead to the unprecedented step of declaring a NATO ally a state sponsor of international terrorism, a policy that includes
      harsh U.S. economic sanctions, terrorism experts said.

      According to intelligence sources, the chief of Greece's National Intelligence Service met in Athens last month with two PKK terrorist leaders. The Greek Spy chief informed the PKK officials they could no longer conduct training operations in Greece and the two officials
      agreed to relocate their training bases, sources said.

      One of the PKK officials is an aide to PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan. who is based in Syria. A second official is a member of the National Liberation Front of Kurdistan, based in Germany.

      U.S. officials said Greek police and intelligence officials earlier this year took steps to shut down one PKK training camp on Euboea, a large island located northeast of Athens.

      The camp, closed in February, was used for weapons and explosives training, officials said.

      Greek authorities also raided a safe house near Athens in March that was used by PKK terrorists engaged in operations in Europe, the officials said.

      However, U.S. officials said it is not clear that the Athens government has ended all support for the PKK, including the practice of allowing PKK terrorists to transit freely through Greece.

      Theodossiss Demetracopouos, press secretary at the Greek Embassy, said in a statement, "The Greek government categorically denies that it has ever provided training or any other form of assistance to the PKK."

      A State Department counterterrorism official had no comment on Greek support for the PKK, or whether Athens could be placed on the list of state sponsors of terrorism as a result.

      Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism operations official, said the PKK is one of the most violent terrorist groups operating in the world today.

      "The Greeks have taken the position that the enemy of my enemy is my friend," Mr. Cannistraro said. "The fact of the matter is you have one NATO ally supporting terrorist operations against another NATO member."

      Mr. Cannistraro said the new government of Greece under Prime Minister Costas Simitis appears to be taking steps to curtail PKK activities.

      In January, Mr. Simitis succeeded ailing socialist Andreas Papandreau, who died June 23.

      The order to halt PKK training activities in Greece was given less than two months after Mr. Simitis took over as chairman of the ruling socialist Pan Hellenic Socialist Movement , known as Pastok, and consolidated his political power.

      "There is no question that what the Greek government is doing with the PKK makes them supporters of international terrorism," Mr. Cannistraro said. "If political considerations were put aside, they would qualify as state sponsors of terrorism on the State Department's annual list."

      The State Department terrorism report, issued in April, said Greece denied Turkish charges that the PKK conducted training in Greece denied Turksh charges that the PKK conducted training in Greece and received
      aid from the Athens government.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ned

        The US, NATO and the EU should give these Greeks an ultimatum. Become civilized or else.
        well they became civilized way before the rest of us

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        • #5
          first one is from the turkish foreign ministry website and quite understndably propagandistic and false.

          the second is from washington times a world reknown excellent newspaper


          considering the pathetic sources, these are a credit to Greece actually

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          • #6
            paiktis, but isn't there a grain of truth here?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by paiktis22
              first one is from the turkish foreign ministry website
              That's not where it's from, Zorba.

              the second is from washington times a world reknown excellent newspaper


              Ah, yes. I don't mind if you dodge points with sharp ends but please don't try to wrap yourself in the cloak of objectivity.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #8
                No Ned there is not.

                These are quite simply payed articles and men from Turkey and also rather uneducated "opinions" from people who simply dont know better. And they are old "news". I had already read both of them.

                If you want to get a gist of 17N I recomend the book: 17 November: Europe's Last Red Terrorists.

                Many news orginzations such as BBC and most if not all terrorism analysts have said it is the best book about 17N.

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                • #9
                  I have read both of them years ago. the first is in a prominent position in the turkish foreign ministry website.

                  there are simply not true and needless to say there is no proof for any of this exactly because they are not true.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by paiktis22
                    No Ned there is not.
                    That's what he says about every article that says anything negative about Greece and her problems with terrorism, Ned.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      And needless to say that for 25 years Greece had that problem and for all this time Greece is a member of the EU, NATO and the Western European Union.

                      Turkey is a member of NATO only and well with too many serious human rights violations and too many deficienceis in its "democracy" to be taken seriously by anyone but guys like dino (and I hope he is trolling/joking otherwise he is really lost)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paiktis22
                        I have read both of them years ago.
                        You likely did read the Times article years ago. However, I doubt that you read the first one I posted years ago.

                        the first is in a prominent position in the turkish foreign ministry website.


                        I'm not suprised. However, that doesn't change the fact that the Turkish government didn't commission the article. The Christian Science Monitor did. Now, I would be interested in hearing about the "nefarious" Turkish connections they might have.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          Sorry but these articles are completely discredited.
                          France Italy germany have the same history as Greece with terrorist organizations attacking western targets.

                          I have better things to do that replying to Dino's trolls

                          And it doesnt affect Greece in the slightest

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by paiktis22
                            Sorry but these articles are completely discredited.
                            Where? Certainly not anywhere in this thread. Unless, of course, you happen to count BAM!s as proof.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              hi ,

                              as long as there is foreign military personel coming to Greece to get drunk , break in to churches , run after the woman , and do other things that they are not supposed to do , ..... there is going to be Greeks and others who shall resist , some by what ever means available , ......

                              the second thing is , some agencies , should start to get out of Greece , its there country , no more special ops on the Greek land , .....

                              the third , put a huge fence of some countries that neigbor Greece , .....

                              four , expand KIP and other's , ....

                              the fifth , check all these people who come only for a so-called holiday more often , .....

                              six , have a nice day
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