Greek police very near the capture of 17 November

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Why do you give up so easily?

You started stinking up the thread with your constant stream of nationalist BS propaganda.

1) Numerous world champinships orginized in Greece, never was an incident, all completely safe.

Genoa gives lie to European claims to be able be competent at either proiding security or crowd control.

2)What you refer to as "terrorists" in Greece apart 17N, are small teams of dreamy children who at the very most will leave a gas canister outside some empty building at night.

Denial, pure and simple.

3)Turkey has an interest in badmouthing Greece everychance it gets.

Oh please! You sound worse than the Israelis with these claims that the entire world is against you. Surely, you are able to do better than this.

4)American companies want to get billions of euroes for taking charge of the security in the Olympics.

How much is that? Enough for a Big Mac and Coke?

As I said your propaganda is washing away like a cool mid summer stream.

Your's is good for planting a garden.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


You started stinking up the thread with your constant stream of nationalist BS propaganda.

It's an adequate answer to your BS "rhetorics"

Genoa gives lie to European claims to be able be competent at either proiding security or crowd control.

Anwering BS again.

I stated that Greece has held numerous world championships without inceidents or terrorist attacks and you talk about... Genoa.

Denial, pure and simple.

What a brilliant counter argument

I think you are in denial.

Oh please! You sound worse than the Israelis with these claims that the entire world is against you. Surely, you are able to do better than this.

You are very naive. I didn;t say anything about the rest of the world

You are indeed lost if you believe Turkey does not have an interest in doing that and is indeed doing it.

But I forget history is not your stong point
(or international relations for that matter)

How much is that? Enough for a Big Mac and Coke?

600 mil. euros of Greek taxpayers money IIRC. Lots of Big Macs

Your's is good for planting a garden.

You offered nothing of substance.

Meanwhile what I said stance.

Greece - no terrorist incidents in world chapionships - USA thousands killed by terrorist attacks - Atlanta Olympics included in those.

Which makes me wonder who's supposed to be in a problematic position here.

I would just like to add that it was abhorable that you will throw all this vile propaganda against Greece just for pressuring us to give the money to your private companies.
I am glad we didn't caved in to your... terrorism

and that doesn't make for peachy witchy friends. (although I imagine you do it the world over)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
It's an adequate answer to your BS "rhetorics"

Uncomfortable truths are often called BS "rhetorics" to protect the accusers fraigile ego.

I stated that Greece has held numerous world championships without inceidents or terrorist attacks and you talk about... Genoa.

I'm talking about the EU's, of which Greece is apart, ability to provide adequate security. Or are you going to admit that the US has hosted numerous world events without problem as well if you want to focus specifically on your own little third world country.

What a brilliant counter argument

I think that living in complacency and underestimating your enemies is the surest way to prove everything I have stated about Greece correct. So, carry on the way you have been.

You are very naive. I didn;t say anything about the rest of the world

Any article that says anything remotely negative about terrorism in Greece is automatically dismissed as "angloamerican propaganda and disscussion about it is therefore moot.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Uncomfortable truths are often called BS "rhetorics" to protect the accusers fraigile ego.

They often are. In other cases rampant nationalism, they are the most appropriate answer to indeed BS "rhetorics".

I'm talking about the EU's, of which Greece is apart, ability to provide adequate security. Or are you going to admit that the US has hosted numerous world events without problem as well if you want to focus specifically on your own little third world country.

And I repeat, numerous World Championships held in Greece without any incident.

Atlanta games go bombed by terrorists.

Who is making up propaganda and who's telling the truth?

I think that living in complacency and underestimating your enemies is the surest way to prove everything I have stated about Greece correct. So, carry on the way you have been.

But what you are doing is actually generilizing and inflating non-issues for your own aims be that trolling or otherwise.

Apart 17N, those "terrorist" groups are kids with gas canisters. They don't stance a change against Greek organized security in the games.

Meanwhile in the US you have had thousand of deaths from terrorists unlike Greece.

So I'm wodnering who has the best strategy here...

Any article that says anything remotely negative about terrorism in Greece is automatically dismissed as "angloamerican propaganda and disscussion about it is therefore moot.

Not all. But payed libels by woosley or a hand picked Washington Post "journalists" payed by the turkish lobby really deserve no discussion.

Also lobbying so that the private american companies get the money is not worth discussing either.

I have yet to hear a hard fact.

Meanwhile Greece has had no incidents in plenty of world championships. US has lost thousands to terrorist attacks so I think you may want to put some order there first and then offer advice

I am willing to discuss operational matters and so is Greece and is doing in just that with 6 countries including the US.

But baseless propaganda for your private companies or your turkish lackeys, no thanks.

[Bereta_Eder]

Also if you stopped trolling for a minute,

don't think that no terrorist cares about Greece and that's why we are so tranquile....


Greece's position in the gateway of Europe and close to Middle East produces the ideal "entrance" for numerous islamist terrorist organizations.

We had to fight long and hard to get rid of those in the '80s. And we managed to do that without loosing almost not one Greek.

So I wouldn't call us exactly unexperienced.

about 17N, yes, it is unbelievable that not one man got busted so far. And there are reasons for that as I explained. Don't think it makes me "happy" that they are not caught.

But that does not take anything away from our counter - terrorist adequacies.

And I'd appreciate it if people who have lost thousands to terrorists didn't pretend to be experts on such issues.

and lastly about 17N. CIA, FBI, Scotland Yard, Greek Intelligence Agency and half the world are on their tail.
I think that you are the one who is underestimating them and justify it all in the accomodating incompetence chapter.

[MarkG]

Greek Bomb Site Gun May Be Stolen

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - Europe's most elusive terrorist group may have possessed a gun found at the site of a botched bombing at the country's busiest port, Greek police indicated Monday.

A forensics report on a .38-caliber revolver found at the scene of Saturday's blast showed it was stolen from a police officer killed during a 1984 robbery that authorities blame on November 17, Greece's most-wanted terrorist group.

The weapon had not been used in any crime since then, and it was unclear how long the bomber — who was injured in Saturday's blast and remains under police guard — possessed it.

November 17 never claimed responsibility for robbing and killing the police officer in 1984. But authorities said a gun used to kill the police officer also was used in six other attacks between 1983 and 1997 blamed on November 17.

November 17, which blends extreme left-wing politics with nationalism, is named for the date of a 1973 student uprising against the military dictatorship then ruling Greece.

It has killed 22 people, including four U.S. officials, since emerging in 1975 with the killing of the CIA ( news - web sites)'s Athens station chief, Richard Welch. No arrests have been made.

The group's last victim was British military attache Brig. Stephen Saunders, shot dead on June 8, 2000. Britain's Scotland Yard and U.S. authorities are working with Greek police to track down group members.

The policeman's revolver was found near the injured bomber — identified as Savas Xiros, a 40-year-old icon painter from Thessaloniki — after the time bomb he allegedly was carrying Saturday night exploded as he walked past a busy dock in the port of Piraeus.

A second bomb found nearby was defused. Police also found two hand grenades and a set of keys at the scene.

Xiros, who did not have a criminal record, was under heavy police guard in an Athens hospital Monday.

The target of Saturday's bombs remains unclear, but the incident occurred at the beginning of Greece's tourist season.

Police Chief Fotis Nassiakos refused to comment on whether police suspect Xiros was connected to November 17.

Greece is being pressured to crack down on terrorism ahead of the 2004 Olympic Games ( news - web sites) in Athens and has been criticized internationally for failing to make any significant arrests.

[DinoDoc]

I suppose this blows 17N's reputation for never killing a Greek citizen.

[MarkG]

17N's reputation for never killing a Greek citizen

what are you talking about? the greater majority of their victims have been Greeks
22 victims in 27 years: 4 americans, 1 british, 1 turk, 3 arabs and 13 greeks if i remember correctly

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MarkG
what are you talking about?

It's the impression I got from paiktis22 and axi's fawning over them.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It's the impression I got from paiktis22 and axi's fawning over them.

your memory seems to be selective
all they said what that 17n has generally not aimed at innocent civilians(like OBL for example) but at businessmen, officials and politicians