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  • #76
    Tommorrow is June 26th, the date the Belgian court will decide whether to try Ariel Sharon for crimes against humanity for permitting Christian troops into the Lebanese Palestinian camps in 1982 to look for terrorists, but knowing there was a risk of a massacre, which then took place. Perhaps a 1000 or more died.

    However, we here narry a peep from the Belgian court concerning the Dutch officers who handed over the men, women and children of Sebrenicia to Bosnian Serb army commander Ratko Mladic in 1995 knowing there was a risk of a massacre, which then took place. More than 8000 died.

    The massacre permitted by the Dutch was orders of magnitude worse than that committed in Lebanon.

    But, do we here demands in Belgium and Holland or the rest of of the EU for even-handed justice. NO!

    Hyprocrites!
    *sigh* Get your friggin facts straight Ned!!

    The dutch government resigned because of what happened in Srebenica, and the events are still being indepently investigated.

    Now what happened to Sharon?
    did he resign, no, they give him a promotion to premier?
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    • #77
      Colon. The Belgian courts have no jurisdiction. Do you understand that word?

      The fact that they may satisfy the mobs with one or two of their... rulings... does not make justice.

      A court constituted by one county, accountable to one nation is not a fit panel for soldiers, ministers and heads of states of all countries, however ignoble they may be.
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      • #78
        Lemmy,

        He resigned. He came back later.
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        • #79
          oh, ok...maybe i should get my facts straight too...
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          • #80
            but as long as the dutch investigation is still going on, it would be pointless to go complain in Belgium, because the guilty people can still be convicted for their actions in the Netherlands
            <Kassiopeia> you don't keep the virgins in your lair at a sodomising distance from your beasts or male prisoners. If you devirginised them yourself, though, that's another story. If they devirginised each other, then, I hope you had that webcam running.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              Colon. The Belgian courts have no jurisdiction. Do you understand that word?

              The fact that they may satisfy the mobs with one or two of their... rulings... does not make justice.

              A court constituted by one county, accountable to one nation is not a fit panel for soldiers, ministers and heads of states of all countries, however ignoble they may be.
              And you seem to have some problems understanding that the charge was dismissed exactly because Sharon isn't present on Belgian territory and deemed to be outside of Belgian jurisdiction. I don't think US courts have that decency.

              And calling the victims of the Ruandese genocide, and of the massacres at the Palestian refugee camps, "the mobs" isn't very respectful either.
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              • #82
                Tommorrow is June 26th, the date the Belgian court will decide whether to try Ariel Sharon for crimes against humanity for permitting Christian troops into the Lebanese Palestinian camps in 1982 to look for terrorists, but knowing there was a risk of a massacre, which then took place. Perhaps a 1000 or more died.

                However, we here narry a peep from the Belgian court concerning the Dutch officers who handed over the men, women and children of Sebrenicia to Bosnian Serb army commander Ratko Mladic in 1995 knowing there was a risk of a massacre, which then took place. More than 8000 died.

                The massacre permitted by the Dutch was orders of magnitude worse than that committed in Lebanon.

                But, do we here demands in Belgium and Holland or the rest of of the EU for even-handed justice. NO!
                For the love of God. I knew you were somewhat misguided at times, but this is just plain stupid.

                And a poor troll too.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Colon


                  And you seem to have some problems understanding that the charge was dismissed exactly because Sharon isn't present on Belgian territory and deemed to be outside of Belgian jurisdiction. I don't think US courts have that decency.

                  And calling the victims of the Ruandese genocide, and of the massacres at the Palestian refugee camps, "the mobs" isn't very respectful either.
                  So how were the Ruandese on Belgian soil?

                  The fact that some fiends were convicted does not prove the validity of the process.

                  The 'mobs' are in Europe.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Saint Marcus


                    For the love of God. I knew you were somewhat misguided at times, but this is just plain stupid.

                    And a poor troll too.
                    Says the pot to the kettle.

                    However, I agree that this wasn't well thought out by Ned.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Lemmy
                      Now what happened to Sharon?
                      His political career was finished until the darling of the EU, Arafat, started a war he could never hope to win.
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                      • #86
                        By the way..

                        Belgian Court Dismisses Sharon War Crimes Suit
                        Wed Jun 26, 6:55 AM ET
                        By Katie Nguyen

                        BRUSSELS (Reuters) - A Brussels appeals court threw out a lawsuit against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ( news - web sites) on Wednesday, ruling he was immune from investigation in Belgium over his alleged role in a 1982 massacre of Palestinian refugees.

                        "What the court decided is that the complaint against Sharon ... is not admissible because of the principle of Belgian law that crimes committed in other countries cannot be prosecuted in Belgium unless the author or presumed author has been found in Belgium," a court spokesman said.

                        The ruling deals a major blow to Belgium's law giving the country's courts the right to try foreigners for serious human rights abuses wherever they are committed.

                        It was under this controversial law that a group of Palestinian and Lebanese filed the complaint last year, accusing Sharon of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

                        Michael Verhaeghe, one of the lawyers for the group of Palestinians, told reporters that his clients would appeal to the country's Supreme Court of Appeal.

                        "We are not satisfied with this," he said. "It completely undermines the scope of universal jurisdiction. We are appealing to the Supreme Court. The fight goes on, that's clear."

                        In Lebanon, Palestinian refugees read the ruling as a sign that Europe had joined the United States in backing Israel in its conflict with Palestinians, and that they could expect no justice in its courts.

                        "There were already steps to head off the court proceedings, but they let them go on to display a sort of fraudulent democracy," said Hussein al-Jamal, a 42-year-old resident of the Rashidiyeh camp in south Lebanon.

                        "MORE LAW THAN POLITICS"

                        But there was jubilation among Sharon's backers when, after a nail-biting delay of nearly two hours, photocopies of the 22-page ruling were distributed from a dusty room on the corner of Brussels' Palais de Justice.

                        "It's a lawsuit that started with more politics than law and it is lucky that the outcome is more law than politics," Daniel Shek, director of European Affairs at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, told reporters at the court. "It's what we considered a logical outcome, we trusted the system and the system did not let us down."

                        In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told reporters: "I think they shouldn't even have tried to (bring the case to court). One nation cannot judge another nation. A nation that doesn't, fortunately, have to fight terror and war will hardly understand a nation that has to do it."

                        Sharon was defense minister in 1982 when an Israeli-backed Lebanese militia killed hundreds of refugees at the Sabra and Shatila camps in Beirut, then occupied by Israel. The following year, an Israeli commission found him indirectly responsible.

                        A criminal investigation was suspended last September pending a ruling on Belgium's jurisdiction.

                        Two previous rulings had already chipped away at the validity of the law, which has caused embarrassment for the Belgian government and strained its ties with Israel.

                        In February, the International Court of Justice at the Hague ( news - web sites) snubbed Belgian claims of universal jurisdiction by upholding the immunity of former Congolese Foreign Minister Yerodia Aboulaye Ndombasi from prosecution in Belgium.

                        The decision resulted in an order to cancel Belgium's international arrest warrant against him, issued in 2000, for crimes against humanity.

                        In an another precedent-setting ruling two months later, the Brussels appeals court threw out a case against Yerodia, who was accused of inciting racial hatred, on the grounds that he had not been found in Belgium.

                        CATASTROPHE SCENARIO

                        It was on this ground of links between the accused and Belgium -- and not diplomatic immunity -- that the investigation into Sharon was halted by the appeals court Wednesday.

                        "This decision is a great disappointment not only to the victims of the massacres of Sabra and Shatila but to atrocity victims everywhere who have placed their hopes for justice in the Belgian courts," said Reed Brody, a spokesman for Human Rights Watch.

                        Montserrat Carreras of rights group Amnesty International, pointing out that if the case had been thrown out on immunity grounds it could have been taken up again when Sharon left office, said Wednesday's ruling was "the catastrophe scenario."

                        Lawyer Verhaeghe said his clients' case in the Supreme Court of Appeal would now hang on whether it could be proved that Sharon was in Belgium in 1987. Two liberal Belgian senators said they would introduce a bill in the senate for a change in the law to ensure that people who are not in Belgium can be prosecuted.

                        "The bill is ready. It is just a matter of days," senator Vincent Van Quickenborne, a Flemish liberal, said.
                        Well then.

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                        • #87
                          Ugh. Journalists.

                          "The ruling deals a major blow to Belgium's law giving the country's courts the right to try foreigners for serious human rights abuses wherever they are committed."

                          Completely unrelated.

                          "A nation that doesn't, fortunately, have to fight terror and war will hardly understand a nation that has to do it."

                          So Peres would agree with putting Sharon on trial in Spain ?

                          "In February, the International Court of Justice at the Hague ( news - web sites) snubbed Belgian claims of universal jurisdiction"

                          Bull****. Functional immunity.

                          "Two liberal Belgian senators said they would introduce a bill in the senate for a change in the law to ensure that people who are not in Belgium can be prosecuted."

                          Oh that's a brilliant idea.

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                          • #88
                            From the AP story:

                            Besides Sharon, war crimes proceedings have been brought in Belgium against several world figures including Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat ( news - web sites), Cuban President Fidel Castro ( news - web sites), Iraqi President Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites), Ivory Coast President Laurent Gbagbo and ex-President Hashemi Rafsanjani of Iran.

                            So far, the only people tried under the Belgian war crimes law are four Rwandans given sentences between 12 and 20 years last year for their role in the 1994 genocide of the country's Tutsi ethnic minority.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Saint Marcus


                              For the love of God. I knew you were somewhat misguided at times, but this is just plain stupid.

                              And a poor troll too.
                              Saint Marcus, I did not understand that responsible parties are under criminal investigation in Holland. If this is the case, I guess the troll was misguided.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Goingonit
                                I also think that all heads of state should have immunity from prosecution.
                                Even Adolph Hitler?
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