American position on the PA

[Sirotnikov]

Good. That takes care of your points 8, 9 and 11. There is no moral requirement to call off an attack because Israel has decided to put some kids there. Sharon is guilty of the deaths of these children

Not at all so.

They entered a house. Then they initiated an attack on one person whom they noticed after the next.

Every person killed is a seperate attack.

It's not the same as planting a bomb.

[Eli]

People like CyberGnu are the source of the ME conflict.

"We are the right side, therefore we can kill/expel EVERYONE on the wrong side"

Luckily, Israel is a democracy so similar Israeli idiots are on the fringe of society. In Palestine, such people lead the Pals, fight for them, manage their money and educate the next generation.

[Sirotnikov]

we assume that the palestinian knew it was indeed a kids dormitory

if they enter the dormitory in a school (!) and see kids (!) asleep.

How is this then "accidental" killing?

You said that only accidental killing is the occupiers fault.

[CyberGnu]

Means 'based on my impressions'. Not a statement of fact. Not a claim.

Could this be the cause of your confusion regarding sources? You really don't understand when they are needed?


Well if you don't have a source, don't post it then.

You require the same from me.

*sigh*

*again banging forehead on Siros wall of incomprehension*

For the love of Buddha, at least try to engage your poor tired braincells.

I'll go through the original post slowly.


However, does anyone know at what age you are considered adult in palestine? Since they themselves apparently consider 15 year olds grown men, I assume they consider israeli 15 year olds adults as well.


does anyone know at what age you are considered adult in palestine? Firmly establishing that I don't know for a fact when a palestinian is considered adult.

Logic: If I don't know the answer, I don't have a source.

Since they themselves apparently consider 15 year olds grown men
Key word here is 'apparently'. Establishes that I'm not claiming my statement as a fact, only as an impression I have.

I assume they consider israeli 15 year olds adults as well.
Keyword: 'assume'. Again stating that I don't know this as a fact, only that I'm making an assumption.


Of course, ordinarily I wouldn't dream of being so condescending that I'd assume that one would not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion, but if you still don't get it, I'll make an exception for you.

[Sirotnikov]

People like CyberGnu are the source of the ME conflict.

"We are the right side, therefore we can kill/expel EVERYONE on the wrong side"

Luckily, Israel is a democracy so similar Israeli idiots are on the fringe of society. In Palestine, such people lead the Pals, fight for them, manage their money and educate the next generation.

But gnu is a democrat.

He's in favour of kids taking responsability for the military actions of their state

[CyberGnu]

How could we have invaded palestine if there has never been a palestine, as you have stated yourself?

Contemplating Israels crimes hurts again, so you prefer being facetious?

[Sirotnikov]

good, that was my point.

So Gnu, aren't you a little ashamed of posting unbased unsourced opinions? Kinda like the Israeli press, don't you think?

From now on, I deem you can't be trusted.

See you around.

[Sirotnikov]

You say things like:

You are claiming that Israeli soldiers must occpuy palestine

You are defending a nation that has invaded another

But you also say:

Which might have some relevance if there had ever been a palestinian state.

Aren't you a little confused?

[CyberGnu]

why not?

was he not enjoying palestinian land?

I don't really want to insult you, but I have to ask: Are you stupid or is it just that you have the memory of a goldfish?

I'll give you a few hints: posted at 28-06-2002 03:00 As I've said before, you can't deliberately kill the kid.

posted at: 28-06-2002 02:14 I don't defend the practice of targeting children.


Need more help?

[Sirotnikov]

This is your logic:

As I've said before, you can't deliberately kill the kid.

If the kid is killed by accident, however, the guilt falls squarely on my shoulders.

Please explain to me, how the murder of children in examples 8,9 and 11 , is

a) NOT"deliberate"
b) a mistake

[CyberGnu]

It all comes from my memory of the events in the last 2 years.

You are welcome to search the forum if you want my sources then.

I distinctly remembered to only put things on the list which were 'real' according to your definition (ie covered by western meda)

Well, source them then? You are making the claim that palestinians deliberately target children. So far you've provided one example (which I'll accept because I remember readin about it, although if we want to be strict there should be a source on that one too. It's up to you if you want to, I don't require it on that one). One example doesn't prove anything.

[CyberGnu]

3 refers to an incident where their heads were smashed with rocks.

4 refers to an incident which hapenned in a lit sport field in school. It hapenned at night, but the court was lit.

Source.

And I'd like the question of adulthood resolved.

If a 15 year old is considered adult, and these teens were 15+, then the points are moot.

[CyberGnu]

One could determine their ages were teens.

I can't tell a 16 year odl from a 18 year old...

also refer back to adult age question.

[CyberGnu]

When a person boards a bus specifically at time when children travel to school, then there's intention in it.

And so you require the resistance fighters to alter their schedule because Israel decides to put children in harms way. Again you are defending the practice of using children as human shields.

[CyberGnu]

If they are not sourced then the article writer is the actual source and wittness.

Intriguingly... The majority of JP writers are palestinans or IDF soldiers?