Peace!? Arafat "agrees" to Clinton plan!

[Imran Siddiqui]

They just might. Hopefully we'll get a less pro-Israel President in 2004 .

[Sirotnikov]

Imran, this hole viability stuff is bull****.

If you read the accounts of people who were there, americans or israelis, and even palestinians - the accounts given right after the talks - you would see that the real reasons for not getting peace was Arafat's insistance on the temple mount and refugees.

This whole 'viability' **** was invented after the fact, about a year later, when the Palestinians saw they are losing the PR battle, because the West didn't like it how they waived peace, in exchange for "temple mount" and "refugees".

So they went on, and entered the word 'viable' into their propoganda. It appears far more than any other word. Just count it.

However, it is idiotic, since every one of their claims does not offer a real solution.

They say that a is not viable and b is not viable.

When you take that into consideration - the only option to create a viable palestine, which is independant from israel - is to replace israel with palestine. completely destroy it.

[Sirotnikov]

[a]Countries do not wish to be ringed by potentially hostile nations.[/q]
Hmm... I assume that is why Israel agreed to the 1947 devision plan?

Israel was ready to settle for much less.

The arabs didn't want to.

Now it's their turn to settle.

[Sprayber]

My question is

If the plan presented the Pal with a viability problem because they had to cross Isrealie territory, wouldn't the next logical step for the Pal would be to ask that Gaza and the West bank be connected? Which of course would split Israel?

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sprayber
My question is

If the plan presented the Pal with a viability problem because they had to cross Isrealie territory, wouldn't the next logical step for the Pal would be to ask that Gaza and the West bank be connected? Which of course would split Israel?

hi ,

they all ready have serveral roads they can take , ...
it was all in the agreement of Malta , ....

it should be on the same site you got the pic from , ...

have a nice day

[TCO]

How can anyone even care about what Arafat agrees to? Based on a long string of previous events, he is either a liar (breaks agreements) or he is incapable of restraining his countrymen. My vote: both.

He's irrelevant. Israel needs to ignore Arafat and make all decisions regardless of him. That's the best way to move forward. Only a process-oreiented Euro (see Siro's article) would care about a powerless leader "agreeing" to new terms.

[TCO]

Sprayber and Imran,

I take the geographic continuity issue seriosly. I doubt that a Pal state can exist with Gaza and WB seperated.

[Panag]

Originally posted by GP
Sprayber and Imran,

I take the geographic continuity issue seriosly. I doubt that a Pal state can exist with Gaza and WB seperated.

hi ,

there where a lot of agrements , as on how they are conected , in short they have a big road , like a piece ol land going from one place to the other , .....

if you want to cross the road , there is two options , either above it , or below it , ....

however the road seems to be used for one thing , transport of weapons and hasj , .....

have a nice day

[chequita guevara]

It's not so much geogaphic continuity that's the problem, since Palestine will be broken into two areas anyway. It's more that Palestine will be broken up into many cantons, that the water will still be under Israel's control, that all Jerusalem will still be part of Isreal (even with Palestinian authority over the holy places and the Arab quarter), that it ignores the status of the refugees, and that it gives no time table for the withdrawl of Israel from a good chunk of Palestine. On top of that, it leaves most of the settlements intact. Basically, this is like Versailles.

[Giancarlo]

BTW, there are two other countries in a situation like this.... Azerbajian and Armenia... Azerbajian holds an exclave and the only way to get to it is through Armenian Territory. So it is sorta of the same situation. Two hostile countries but they have managed to work it out after a bitter war.

[TCO]

There's also East and West Pakistan. Whoops!

[TCO]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
It's not so much geogaphic continuity that's the problem, since Palestine will be broken into two areas anyway.

The inevetiability of something makes it not a problem?

[KrazyHorse]

Egypt should get Gaza back, Jordan should get West Bank...

Then national liberation movement for Palestine would have to be fought entirely in Muslim world and Israel would be off the hook...

[Az]

actually, I've heard an inerview with a palestinian political figure, of local importance that said that he'd rather have Jordan take care of the west bank . He also said that palestinian media reports of people having a fanatic NATIONALISTIC fervor is wrong.

[KrazyHorse]

I was just kidding, Dalgetti. That wouldn't solve anybody's problems and would create more...