Peace!? Arafat "agrees" to Clinton plan!

[Ned]

Originally posted by GP
There's also East and West Pakistan. Whoops!

There is also Alaska and the lower-48.

[Az]

I've noticed that. note the 'actually'.

[chequita guevara]

Angola and Canbinda, Russia and Kaliningrad, Malaysia and Sarawak . . . and the others have already been mentioned.

[Panag]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Egypt should get Gaza back, Jordan should get West Bank...

Then national liberation movement for Palestine would have to be fought entirely in Muslim world and Israel would be off the hook...

hi ,

they had control , and what did they do , ....

nothing , ....

have a nice day

[TCO]

Originally posted by Ned


There is also Alaska and the lower-48.

54-40 or fight!!

[markusf]

Originally posted by GP


54-40 or fight!!

There is no one in alaska.

The one problem i could see is boarder checks etc. You can make it impossible to move goods from one enclave to another, or at least very expensive and time consuming.

[Ned]

It is really obvious that the West Bank has to be reunited with the East Bank. They are one people on both sides of the Jordan. The only reason there is a line between the two is Britain, who, after WWI, wanted to give their ally Hussein "something" in exchange for his support in the war and in fulfillment of their agreement with Hussein. So they carved off half of Palestine and made Hussein's son king.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Ned
It is really obvious that the West Bank has to be reunited with the East Bank. They are one people on both sides of the Jordan. The only reason there is a line between the two is Britain, who, after WWI, wanted to give their ally Hussein "something" in exchange for his support in the war and in fulfillment of their agreement with Hussein. So they carved off half of Palestine and made Hussein's son king.

hi ,

hey , , the allready have special roads , that connects them , what else they want a, more land on the side of that road , .... NO , ...NEVER

as for the role of the brits , grrrrrrrrr , what is jordan today is what the pals where going to get , ...
and they wanted more , so they should fight it out with the jordan's , ....

also , lets not forget that the jordans showed yasser the door , .... with good reason , ...

have a nice day

[Az]

Ned is generally correct, except the fact that it wasn't Hussein ,it was his grandfather , Abdullah.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
Ned is generally correct, except the fact that it wasn't Hussein ,it was his grandfather , Abdullah.

hi ,

next you are going to agree with a 5 mile wide road , ....

, nope that goes to far , and its a step in the direction of more "pigua" , ....NO - thank you , they have a nice status as it is to travel between the both pieces , ....

have a nice day

[Az]

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Angola and Canbinda, Russia and Kaliningrad, Malaysia and Sarawak . . . and the others have already been mentioned.

None of which are close to as serious as the Azerbajian/Armenian one. Umm... Angola and Cabinda is not a problem... Angola supports the DRC government.

[chequita guevara]

I was just mentioning other examples of split territorial governments. I didn't say there was a problem with any of them.

[GePap]

Sort of useless

What Arafat agrees to or not is useless at this point. While I can see peace going forward more if arafat stays as opposed to Sharon staying, Arafat's days are numbered, if simply because of internal Palestinian stuggles. But whomever rules either side, this area is moving towards an inevitable point:

The Palestinians will get a state,borders generally around the Green Line and some sort of resolution, thought not right of return, will be worked out for the refugees. This will still take many years and I expect to see a continuation of Israeli-Palestinian violence, as well as serious bouts of internal violence for both sides, with more than a few politicians of boths sides getting killed by their own side for "treason". The world, whether conservatives want it or not, is moving ever towards a greater emphasis on individual rights over states rights, even with the current 9/11 paranoid phobia in the west. Over the next 50 years it can't be helped but that immigration laws will have to be made to allow more poor to move to rich areas(if these areas xpect both economic growth in poor regions and to maitain internal leves due to deline in available workers) and international human righs regiments will gain force. 9/11 is proof that tech is making the diffusion of power into the hands of NGO's an actual threat to states powers and this is a trend that states can't stop, so either they coopt the system or will be swept away with it. Israel can't afford to keep the occupied territories, just look at the current budget mess the cuts and the high taxes. That if anything will bring Sharon down, and the only way future PM's will be able to solve this econmic morass is by getting out of the territories. Continual occupation is too expensive, it may stop the suicide bombers but not the violence and that will continue to isolate israel and scare off investors. If israelis wish to return to the growth of the 90"s, they must leave the territories. Otherwise the current economic situation may become the norm.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I was just mentioning other examples of split territorial governments. I didn't say there was a problem with any of them.

The Azer./Armenian one is a good example to use for Israel and Palestine, as both countries have fought long wars.