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  • #31
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    He's an old man, maybe he wants to see an independent Palestine in his life time. It could be that he knew the Palestinian people wouldn't accept a defeatist plan without first being defeated. Maybe he wanted to be able to say to the Palestinian people "Hey, we tried," so that he won't be assassinated by militants (which he will anyway).

    It really is a horrible plan.
    hi ,

    he does not care a rats behind about a pal state , ....

    that you can take to the bank , ...

    the only thing he wants is to make war , he is part of a group that like to do nothing else then to make war , he live's of that , .....

    and then of course lets not forget that he and the people around him are like a poor version of a criminal organisation , .....

    they just like to keep the people poor , ...

    there is an old saying , "you keep them poor , i keep them stupid" , ......

    have a nice day / night
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    • #32
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #33
        My question to all parties is this: Why the HELL did it take hundreds of dead Israelis and well over 1000 dead Palestinians in order to even get this glimmer of hope?

        Yeah, too little, too late. Blood's in the air and it isn't going to go away until moderates retake command, not only in the leadership, but in the rank-and-file. Right now, extremists have a death grip on the Palestinian soul and the reactionaries have a death grip on the Israeli soul. God, it's a vicious circle. But everyone already knew that.

        **clink** Here's a toast to hoping for a miracle. I would so love to see the day when, on Page 1A in my newspaper and in 200 point type I can write the headline: "MIDEAST FINDS PEACE"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sirotnikov
          Arafat can't do a damn thing without having moderates on side. He basically has to ask permission before he's allowed to do anything.




          And who told you that?

          You really think some of the hardliners wouldn't be afraid to give him a bullet because hes being to moderate? It really doesn't matter who you put in arafats place, they would be screwed and powerless to stop the fighting.
          Join the army, travel to foreign countries, meet exotic people -
          and kill them!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
            He's an old man, maybe he wants to see an independent Palestine in his life time.
            He was an old man who wanted to see an independent Palestine during the Clinton Administration. His response to this very plan was to instigate a war and sink the political hopes of an Israeli PM who was actually interested in negotiation. His hopes of seeing a decent plan are actually worse now than before the current Intifada began.

            It really is a horrible plan.


            Could you tell me what it was other than the fact that it contained the words "end of conflict" was so bad about the plan?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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            • #36
              Now that he realized that there's not a chance in hell the outside world will help him, and that the israelis aren't going to make peace with him while he screams on to jerusalem, he wants peace.

              Life's tough.

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              • #37
                Arafat wants to see a bunch of Israelis killed before he dies. That is all I will say. HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE PROGRESS IN PEACE CHE. That is where you are wrong. The man is out for blood.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #38
                  Could you tell me what it was other than the fact that it contained the words "end of conflict" was so bad about the plan?


                  It creates little enclaves of Palestinian land. Every Palestinian terroritory (other than the Gaza strip) would be encircled by Israel, and Palestine, in the West Bank, would be divided in 3. You can't make a state from that.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    It creates little enclaves of Palestinian land.
                    What does a lack of continuity have to do with the State's viability?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                    • #40
                      This looks to me like a PR move. He is only offering this because he knows Sharon won't accept. Now, people will have alot harder time saying that the Jews are willing to make peace but the Pals aren't. And PR is, of course, essential to Arafat's long term goal of peace keepers in the holy land and international intervention.
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                      • #41
                        Ask Swaziland (which is gulfed up by South Africa). And having a potentially hostile nation enclosing you? HA!
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          And having a potentially hostile nation enclosing you? HA!
                          Palestine would never have a chance in hell of stopping an Israeli invasion regardless of the continuity between and among its territory. I'm afraid that you'll have to come up with something more substantive.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #43
                            Israel can defeat four Arab nations while being outnumbered 10 to 1. You think a small piece of territory could stop an Israeli Invasion... certainly not....
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #44
                              Palestine would never have a chance in hell of stopping an Israeli invasion regardless of the continuity between and among its territory.


                              I'm not talking about invasion. I'm talking about getting water, etc, from other states. They'd have to cross Isreali territory as well. And what about buying arms for their army? You think that would be easy?

                              And that's as substantive as any other reason in the entire world. Countries do not wish to be ringed by potentially hostile nations.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #45
                                No it would not be easy for an independent Palestine to conduct government affairs Imran. But do you think they have a choice?
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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