England's Out

[JohnIII]

Since when were we blaming the ref? Seems like someone just had that post ready and was waiting to use it.

I will quote myself from the Counterglow thread.

****ING **** SECOND ****ING HALF PERFORMANCE ****ING ****ERS DOING WHAT MAN-****ING-UTD DID AGAINST LEVER****INGKUSEN IN HOOFING THE BALL UP THE PITCH LIKE A BUNCH OF SULZEERS!!!!!!!!!!!

We aren't blaming the referee because we were bad, so stop putting words into our mouths.

[Jay Bee]

I think the red card to Ronaldinho was more than deserved. It was idiotic for him to do that. England had a superb opportunity to win today. They let it go. To me Brazil wasn't that superior at all. Now the final is gonna be Germany-Brazil and you know Lineker's definition of soccer...

[Kropotkin]

JohnIII; Yeah, I'm a post-bot

There was some whining in the beginning of the thread about taking dives. That's what the post was about. The ref part was what a italian would say.

[MikeH]

It was a terrible sending off and Brazil deserved to win. We played badly.

[kittenOFchaos]

Having seen the England team today I wonder why I wasn't selected...I would have outplayed Scholes...

[Fidel]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos
Having seen the England team today I wonder why I wasn't selected...I would have outplayed Scholes...

it'll be better on euro 2004. you will lose to germany on penalties

[MOBIUS]

ENGLAND DESERVED TO LOSE!!!

Basically, if you sweep everything else aside England had 30 minutes with an extra player. Did they start mounting a punishing counter attack? No, they whacked huge long balls out of Brazil's end - wasted!!! Did they pass the ball about to tire out the Brizilians, or anything else vaguely dangerous??? No they probably BACKPASSED the ball more times than forwards - they almost even gave away a second goal!!!

Well, did they bring on another striker to pile on the pressure? Er yes - by taking off our most dangerous player!!!

Strangely enough - if you continue to play defensively when you're a goal down, you lose!

I don't care if we'd gone another goal down if we really made an effort to attack - at least we would have tried!



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As for other things...

We were lucky with our goal, but hey...

Ronaldinho's run and Rivaldo's goal was pure class!!!

Absolutely fantastic!

Now, the second goal should never have happened!!!

I will tell you why...

NAYIM!

About ten years ago he allowed himself to be chipped by Nayim from the halfway line (about 50 yds), which cost Arsenal the European Cup that year...

Now, he can allow himself to be beaten any other way - but not by being chipped - it's just not allowed!!!

He should never play again! He is 38 anyway...

Ronaldinho being sent off - perhaps I'm one of the few people here to have actually watched the game, because he clearly elbowed Mills in the face (couldn't happen to a better player BTW ). Not only that, but he also took a swipe at his face a split second before.

It's obvious - the Aussies even said so in the TV studio when watching the slow-mo...

England's other downfall (virtue?) is that it's too amateur - apparently we were the cleanest team in the World Cups with the least bookings. We just don't think to foul - most of our fouls are just clumsy challenges without any malice intended. I can only think of one player on our with a nasty streak (Danny Mills), but then it comes with the territory being a Leeds player...

One the other side of the ball, Scolari apparently doesn't mind how often his players commit intentional fouls as long as they win...

Brazil for example would never have allowed the first goal to happen - one of the several players close to Ronaldinho would have 'accidentally bumped' into him... As did happen on a number of occasions to English players during the game...

Then of course there's the blatant gamesmanship of Rivaldo - he went down like a cry baby sack of sh1t every time an English player even looked at him!

And no, the ref wasn't biased.

There was a bunch of dubious free kicks on the edge of the England box awarded to Brazil and similar ones were not awarded to England. The only potentially biased thing was the sending off - which looked clear cut to me and the TV station on the replays, also to the ref as he was so quick to flourish the red...

Basically England threw the game away, and once they did that they decided to roll over and die!

Now I need something to cheer me up - like Germany thrashing the US...

[Sloth]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
JohnIII; Yeah, I'm a post-bot


The ref part was what a italian would say.

I'm beginning to get annoyed

[Fidel]

nothing beats yesterday's newsitems

Seaman as good as ever: Eriksson
SHIZUOKA, Japan, June 21 (AFP)
Veteran England keeper David Seaman could prolong his career until the Euro 2004 finals in Portugal, according to coach Sven-Goran Eriksson.
Speaking ahead of Friday's World Cup quarter-final against Brazil here, Eriksson said that a final decision on whether he should play on would be taken by the 38-year-old player himself.
"David Seaman still has the desire. He's very keen on working. He's very precise in his work and what he eats and how to live and so on," said the England coach.
"He is still very fit and quick and you cannot buy experience."
Eriksson confirmed that if Seaman asked him whether it was worth continuing his international career, he would tell him to do so.
However, he knows that the real answer can only come from the Arsenal keeper himself as to whether he retains his hunger for the game and steers clear of serious injuries.
"Whether he carries on until the Euro 2004 finals is, I think, very much up to him and up to Arsene Wenger as to whether he plays regular football for Arsenal," added Eriksson.
"One day, players with that amount of experience wake up and aren't hungry any more and that's it.
Eriksson has been impressed with Seaman's form during the tournament, having let in only one goal in the four games before the Brazil game. He has enjoyed three successive shut-outs against Argentina, Nigeria and Denmark.
If Seaman does decide to carry on, that would effectively spell the end of Nigel Martyn's international career, given that the 35-year-old Leeds keeper would remain in his shadow.

[C0ckney]

Well at least our clubs won't be sacking any Brasilian players in their employ

[MikeH]

I'm not blaming the ref, he did us a favour by sending off Ronaldinho unfairly. I'm glad we didn't win because of that bad decision. He didn't have a great game but he was as bad for them as he was for us.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
England's other downfall (virtue?) is that it's too amateur - apparently we were the cleanest team in the World Cups with the least bookings. We just don't think to foul - most of our fouls are just clumsy challenges without any malice intended.

You still belive that do you? I'm not talking about the game at hand but in general. Most englishmen (when losing) calls the other sides for animals. Frankly there has been quite a few really dirty players playing for England. They play dirty and take dives too (I was three ones in this game).

[MikeH]

Beckham dived a few times in this game. Scholesy was lucky not to be booked but generally we haven't fouled that many times. Only 3 fouls from us in the whole Argentina game..

[Fidel]

this is hillarious, especially scottish gloating

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,0-1054801,00.html

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Kropotkin

You still belive that do you? I'm not talking about the game at hand but in general. Most englishmen (when losing) calls the other sides for animals. Frankly there has been quite a few really dirty players playing for England. They play dirty and take dives too (I was three ones in this game).

Well obviously you can name them all, I'm interested in these really dirty players - which ones? Which fouls?

As for the dives, which ones, there was one or two I remember but I'd like you to give us a run down.