Oh those wacky enviromentalists...

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by SnowFire
I contribute very little money to any cause (due to the lack of a job until recently), but that's the one cause I actually have contributed a semi-reasonable amount to, buying land in- drat, I can't even be sure which Central American country it was now. Oh well.

I have some land in "East Scatalonia" that I want to set aside for development.

Interested?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Fez
I am in favor of companies and always have been

You are welcome to take your companies and leave for the moon any time you like.

[cia]

Thanks to the enviromentalists in Arizona and Colorado there are 100,000 acres currently burning and the little fuzzy nutted tree squirrel they were trying to save by allowing no forest management has it's nuts also frying. Nice job.
Support the environment. Bah!
Last time I checked it was here before humans came and it'll be here after we're gone. What's the Earth going to do, turn into a black hole?
en·vi·ron·ment Pronunciation Key (n-vrn-mnt, -vrn-)
n.
The circumstances or conditions that surround one; surroundings.
The totality of circumstances surrounding an organism or group of organisms, especially:
The combination of external physical conditions that affect and influence the growth, development, and survival of organisms: “We shall never understand the natural environment until we see it as a living organism” (Paul Brooks).

[Combat Ingrid]

"Our lumber company has made great progress in Finland"

[cia]

Time for some strip mining

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by cia
Thanks to the enviromentalists in Arizona and Colorado there are 100,000 acres currently burning and the little fuzzy nutted tree squirrel they were trying to save by allowing no forest management has it's nuts also frying. Nice job.
Support the environment. Bah!
Last time I checked it was here before humans came and it'll be here after we're gone. What's the Earth going to do, turn into a black hole?
en·vi·ron·ment Pronunciation Key (n-vrn-mnt, -vrn-)
n.
The circumstances or conditions that surround one; surroundings.
The totality of circumstances surrounding an organism or group of organisms, especially:
The combination of external physical conditions that affect and influence the growth, development, and survival of organisms: “We shall never understand the natural environment until we see it as a living organism?(Paul Brooks).

Amazing. This is a prime example of not understanding the concept.

[Urban Ranger]

The problem with environmentalists is they have no $$$. If they have deep pockets they can buy a few lackeys in Capitol Hill to push legislature in their favour.

[cia]

The difficulty I have with environmentalists is twofold:
They ignore the fact homo sapiens are PART of the environment, NOT existing outside of it. That's why I included the definition.
The second issue is that the law of unintended consequences exists. A full 97% of my state is federal or state land no private groups are allowed to build on, and yet the management of the land is hampered by environmentalists. The previous fire we had was in an area the Forest Service marked for cleanup and controlled burn, and the environmentalists filed an injunction and halted it. Later that summer the brown bear the environmentalists said would be disturbed by the cleanup lost 90% of the female population in one of the largest fires in state history which started there. I believe in conservation, not environmentalism.
BTW, we always got a laugh in engineering school when anti-nuke power environmentalists would protest because the put a picture of a cooling tower with the ban symbol over it, which as engineers we agree with. Dump the hot water right into the lake or river

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


1. Protecting the environment isn't anti-company. It's anti-companies-destroying-the-environment.

2. Would you rather...live off the land...or be extinct?

You're establishing a false dichotomy here, anyway.

No wrong. What else is new? He is criticising me for something I didn't say. I want advancements. Go ahead and steal money away from companies in lawsuits... they won't have any R&D money to invest for the future.

You rather are insulting my beliefs and trying to give them a bad picture. Well that is not the way it is.

I was clear, you were not.

OBVIOUSLY NOT. You were not clear. I was.


Yet you continue to argue...

[Sava]

I have to agree with Fez on one point. He is more clear than anybody else on these boards. He clearly states his ultra-conservative views. You can accuse him of being evil, greedy, immoral, incompetent, wrong, etc, but you can't say he isn't clear about his points.

[Giancarlo]

I am not ultra-conservative. This is getting stupid... why do I even share my views if I am insulted by Sava or anybody else? I am not going to anymore.

[Sava]

I wasn't insulting you... I was just laying the groundwork for what people could call you and what they couldn't. You may not consider yourself ultra-conservative, but compared to the majority of America, you are.

[Giancarlo]

Bah! I don't even consider myself ultra-conservative in Europe.

I affiliate myself with this party: http://www.pp.es - Aznar's party. He is starting a major water project that will get the usual criticism from environuts...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Fez
No wrong. What else is new? He is criticising me for something I didn't say. I want advancements. Go ahead and steal money away from companies in lawsuits... they won't have any R&D money to invest for the future.

So let's not hold any companies accountable for destroying the environment. Brilliant. What planet are you from? Well, the planet you will end up being on is going to be a barren rock if you had your way. What good will all that R&D do you if you have to suit up like an astronaut to go to the corner store for milk?

The only think more disconcerting that environmental extremists are anti-environment extremists like you.

You rather are insulting my beliefs and trying to give them a bad picture.

Don't need any help from me, they did that on their own!

OBVIOUSLY NOT. You were not clear. I was.

What wasn't I clear on? I think every one of my statements was clear. Yours about environuts in the 1800s was not, as you yourself admitted.

Yet you continue to argue...

I'm not the one who said I wouldn't anymore. You did. You liar you.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Sava
I have to agree with Fez on one point. He is more clear than anybody else on these boards. He clearly states his ultra-conservative views. You can accuse him of being evil, greedy, immoral, incompetent, wrong, etc, but you can't say he isn't clear about his points.

He may have clear beliefs, but in this instance he didn't state something clearly, and then accused me of not stating something clearly. That was not the case.

Fez:

Stop being such a whiney brat. Just because people disagree with your opinions doesn't mean they are insulting you. Just because someone considers your beliefs ultraconservative and you do not doesn't make it an insult. If you're going to post your opinions, prepare to defend them. Don't complain when people comment on them. Grow up.