Oh those wacky enviromentalists...

[ixnay]

Also, the main reason that someone wanting to protect the environment would be worried here is because of the need to construct more logging roads to get to the burned timber.

[Sava]

I don't know enough about the logging situation to have a comment about the validity of their cause. I protest against the law enforcement on general principle though.

[SomeOneElse]

I believe we need to keep the environment. I dont believe we should return to a pre industrial society to do so. In this case, I agree that loggers arent going to cut down their own jobs. Environmentalists think industry is all about the money anyway. It would be more productive for them to plant trees than endanger human lives.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Arrian
I think that those people could have had a more positive effect on the environment if they had gone out and planted some trees, or organized some type of fundraiser/event to do so.

-Arrian

Forrests are more than trees. When you detree an area, you rather majorly impact the local environment. Fund raising and organizing are actions geared at changing the future. In this extremely corporate friendly environment, doing nothing while waiting for a more democracy friendy government to come to power is to leave yourself important, while the destruction of the local environment is completed. Given how tight the Dem's are with the timer industry, it's not likly to change much when the Dem's regain control of the government.

Anunikoba, while you may like to think that the logging industry wouldn't cut its own throat, it has done, largely that. There are many recent ex-logging towns, where the local economy was destroyed once the area was over cut and the companies moved on.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by rah
Yes, we must stop using the most renewable resource, so we can rely more on Plastic and other enviorofriendly building materials.

Save the planet.

RAH

There are eco-alternatives to trees for the number one tree product, paper. We could save a lot of trees by switching to hemp paper, for example.

[Stefu]

Of course, wacky environmentalists still don't manage to be as wacky as wacky anti-environmentalist Republican administrations.

[chequita guevara]

Gott in Himmel!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Sava
I don't know enough about the logging situation to have a comment about the validity of their cause. I protest against the law enforcement on general principle though.

Law enforcement is against your principles?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


There are eco-alternatives to trees for the number one tree product, paper. We could save a lot of trees by switching to hemp paper, for example.

Hemp yields 3X more pulp per acre than trees do, and it requires far less pesticides. Its a no-brainer really. Im happy to say that New Zealand is growing hemp.

[Arrian]

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"To suggest that toxic sludge is good for fish because it prevents them from being caught by man is like suggesting that we club baby seals to death to prevent them from being eaten by sharks. It's ludicrous," said Rep. George P. Radanovich, California Republican and chairman of the subcommittee on national parks, recreation and public lands.
"This is one of the most frightening examples of bureaucratic ineptitude and backward logic I have ever seen," Mr. Radanovich said

If it's being done right, anywhere in the world, it ISN'T being done by the US government. Yeesh.

-Arrian

[Gatekeeper]

A lot of this trouble could have been avoided in the first place had folks replanted what they chopped down from the get-go (which, in North America, would probably date back to the 1700s and 1800s, in terms of large-scale clear-cutting of forests).

Then there'd be no real debate about forestry because someone, way back when, would have had the foresight to replant what was removed, thus ensuring trees for future recreation, beauty and building material. It's too bad replanting didn't become widespread until the mid-1900s (guessing on that date).

Gatekeeper

[Lincoln]

Where I live there are plenty of trees for everyone. The idea that trees should not be cut is absurd. The land I own was logged about 20 years ago and you would never know. I have two huge hemlocks shading the house along with one of the largest White Oaks in the area. The rest is covered with medium sized pines, oaks, and etc.. The key is not to clear cut. We frown on that here and we are opposed to the large paper mills who do that. Like anything else there is a reasonable solution that does not require fanatics to chain themselves to a dead tree.

[Immortal Wombat]

Yeah, chaining to live trees is more effective

[chequita guevara]

Lincoln, the problem with "plenty of trees for everyone," is that if you aren't careful, soon you have no trees for anyone. My understanding is, that as heavily forested as it is, Jacksonville has seen significant tree loss in the past decade, despite an anti-cutting ordinence (the city refused to enforce it). Many of the older residents complain the city isn't as forested as it once was. I know that where I am is significant;y forested, but were it not for a referendum passed a few years back, forcing the city to enforce the tree cut ban, that might not be so (trees can be cut under the law, but they must be replaced).

Easter Island used to be a heavily forested island. Now it doesn't have a single tree.

[Lincoln]

The point is proper management of the forests. There has been no loss of trees where I live even though the area has been logged several times. It is a renewable resource like tomatoes or wheat. And the idea of not harvesting the dead trees (that still contain plenty of useful wood) after a fire is absurd. I agree however that the jerks who come into an area and clear cut the woods should be stopped.