First successfull teleportation done!

[KrazyHorse]

Tachyons hypothetical, you say? I thought it's almost proved they exist

Not even close. Nobody has any idea even how to test for them, or what properties they'd have beyond the obvious ones required to be consistent with the Special Theory. They're just one of those interesting theories that could be self-consistent but which has no base in reality (isn't required or indicated by any measurements we know of).

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
But it's not made of metal; it's made of the exact same stuff that you already are.

Stefu, you're already bubbling and fading in and out of existence trillions of times a second at a quantum level anyway. There's no such thing as a continuous consciousness. Ned Ludd would be very proud of you...

In that case KH, how do we know that the Stefu that is with us now is not a replica? He would not know, because he thinks he's the original. And we would not know either. The original Stefu is already dead and has ceased to exist. But since he's dead and not here, we don't know that either.

[KrazyHorse]

Right, there is no sould, so that's quite OK to teleport. Once that has been tested enough to prove safe, I would agree to

Where would this "soul" of yours exist? WQhat form would it take? Why aren't you afraid of it getting left behind when you get on an airplane?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lorizael


In that case KH, how do we know that the Stefu that is with us now is not a replica? He would not know, because he thinks he's the original. And we would not know either. The original Stefu is already dead and has ceased to exist. But since he's dead and not here, we don't know that either.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

[Solver]

And Some Thoughts
If the replica is exactly the same as the original, then will it not be the same person? And by same person I mean more than just copy of body and mind, I mean the consciousness that Stefu and others (and I) are worried about being destroyed.

Exactly, and this is why Stefu should have no worries. And I just don't believe in soul, I believe in brain, it's everything a human has.

[KrazyHorse]

Sorry, solver. I misunderstood your post when I responded to it. I thought you were saying that we had to prove that the sould didn't exist through rigorous testing.

[Lorizael]

I have a pet duck.

One day someone sneaks into my house, kills my duck, and replaces it with a duck that looks exactly the one I had and has had its memories switched so it thinks it's my duck.

I don't know the difference. The duck doesn't know the difference.

But my poor dead duck up in duck heaven does.

[Solver]

Lorizael, you're wrong. Clearly, the new duck (new Stefu) doesn't know the difference. You (or people talking to Stefu) don't know the difference. And noone knows - the original duck is dead, and it does know nothing. It has no soul.

Post-mortal life? Something else...

[Caesar the Great]

This made me think about something a friend said the other day:
Since eternity exists, after you die your exact combination of atoms will at some point be re-assembled - but would that be you?

there has to be an infinite number of atoms for that to be true...

[Lorizael]

Yes, it doesn't make a difference to all those alive. And the dead duck doesn't actually know (I don't believe in an afterlife). But the original duck's existence has ceased.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Caesar the Great


there has to be an infinite number of atoms for that to be true...

No there doesn't. Just an infinite amount of time and energy to keep them recombining. The latter is definitely lacking, and so might be the former.

[Solver]

Right, the energy certainly has a limit, and I remember reading a few years ago there might be about a gugol atoms in the Universe - like 10E120.

[KrazyHorse]

Number of particles in Universe is around 10^81, IIRC.

[KrazyHorse]

And a googol is 10^100

[Lorizael]

Particles? Solver said atoms. There are obviously fewer atoms. So how many atoms are there? Or do you mean atoms?