First successfull teleportation done!

[chequita guevara]

A brain grown with no eternal stimula would not be capable of thought. It would have random impulses in the cerebellum, but the instinctive part of the brain would continue to do what it's supposed to do, wich is tell the muscles and what not to funchtion, since those are hardwired into our genes.

Organized thought requires an organized reality or a close approximation thereof.

I am with with Stefu on this whole question.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Stefu
CtG, replace "could have" with "would have".

Let's try a thoughtplay. After someone's used the self-replication suicide machine, it's left on and produces another replica. Does that one have the original's consciousness?

Thats not the kind of teleportion that is being done. It isn't making a copy. It actual teleportation. In fact someone has allready proved that a perfect copy cannot be made. Of course they did not prove that a perfect copy is needed for a human for the copy to be indistingushable from the original.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Stefu


How reassuring! For the self-replication suicide machine to not kill me, it would have to move my consciousness instead of just replicating it. How does it do that?

Your conciousness is merely an emergent property of the wetware. Its not some mystical non-corporal thing that is outside physical law.

[The Rusty Gamer]

Nightmare for criminal control

Imigine human teleportation being a reality and accessable to the common man. What a nightmare for criminal control. And how could the innocent establish alibis anymore?

DEFENDANT: But I was home all night.

PROSECUTOR: Exactly! Plenty of time then, to teleport to London, commit the murder, and then return home.

Deducting a case by establishing the time of a crime and the whereabouts of porime suspects at the time would become useless.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
The moment I read of Stefu's concern, that quote about going to asleep and waking as a different person came to my mind.

We are the pod people.

[The Rusty Gamer]

Removal of imperfections?

Just to keep this thread going with different spins, someone gave me an idea the other week and wondered if (and if not why not) teleportation could be used to remove any form of ill-health or imperfections in the body. While the person is in the immediatory bits and bytes state, why not remove all the imperfections? My friend who spoke of this idea wondered why this hadn't been used in a Star Trek episode or has it? Does anyone know? I think the update of The Fly uses it to some extent. Didn't the main guy feel reborn and more alive after the process?

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Juggernaut
This made me think about something a friend said the other day:
Since eternity exists, after you die your exact combination of atoms will at some point be re-assembled - but would that be you?

Not in an permanently expanding universe. As the universe exands things get farther and farther part. Eventually there is no more interaction between particles.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
the problem is this.

the transport process is not instant but rather takes a really really short while.

therefore, if our conciousness is transferred - it has a gap.

It takes no time from the point of view of the particles involved IF they move at the speed of light. At least I think it would be that based on the case for light. Light literaly does not experience time. The time from point A to point B for a photon is exactly zero. Not for something outside the photon but for the photon itself.

[Jack_www]

I remember reading about this long time ago. I might be wrong, but they said it only works with light and not matter.

[Solver]

I'm now thinking, the method is called "teleportation". From here one can conclude that a Stefu is instantly moved, not recreated and destroyed. Tell me, who are the OTF scientists, and why aren't they here?

But Stefu, why would you mind being destroyed? What do you care about the replica? I understand what you mean very well, but for you it will be essentially the same, because your consciousness is carried over to the replica. While it might kill you, the end result has no difference whatsoever from the original Stefu.

Again, that's in case you truly get killed. Now we just need OTF scientists.

[LDiCesare]

if we could trick people into believing that it is actually their very matter that is transported, and that there remains no former self that is destroyed, then no-one would care except the people who built the bloody thing.

You don't have to trick them. IT IS THE SAME MATTER. There is also no gap in time. That is why it is teleportation. If there was a delay, you would be MOVING information, and movement is limited in speed (speed of light). Whereas here you are just changing the wave function of the teleportee. The wave function is the function from which you infer position and state (matter/wavelength, energy...). This is also why you can perfectly teleport into the void. You don't deassemble/reassemble matter.
Of course, if you insist on thinking that matter exists independently of wave functions, you cannot understand neither quantum physics nor teleportation.
Do you know Schrodinger's cat?

[Solver]

LDC, so it's moving, not create & destroy, right?

[LDiCesare]

It is more moving than create and destroy, but it is not movement because it is instantaneous.
The idea is a wave function describes the probability of a given particle being somewhere. A typical particle has say 99% chance of being at some point and 1% a bit off somewhere else (that is why you can never observe something with 100% accuracy, you will either know the position correct and have uncertainty on the speed or vice versa because the wave function is never a peak in a single point). Teleporting, as far as I understand it, is stretching the wave function so that you get a probability of being in two places far away and then you switch the probabilities from one point to the other. The problem is understanding that you are not somewhere but actually everywhere with a near-100% probability of being where you stand is a bit mind-boggling. Schrodinger's cat is 50%alive 50%dead, yet neither dead nor alive till you open its box to look in.
Now it is ONE way you could teleport things. I am not sure it is how they did it or if it is feasible. As I said, my quantum physics courses are old and I don't know which technique they used with the laser.

[Solver]

Ah, so it has to deal with the uncertainity principle? I remember reading something about all such stuff in Steven Hawking books. So, we're just transporting the matter instantly, what should have Stefu quite happy.

Schrodinger's cat - that's a great experiement.

[Kassiopeia]

So the idea in simplicity is that you are in one place at one time, and zap you are suddenly in another place.