Iran increases Islamic Jihad budget by 70% - more terracts ahead

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
At least it's a negotiation, panananananananag.

The brits occupied Ireland for 700 years, controlling what the population read, said and saw. Guess what? There were still constant bloody rebellions. The only way for them to stop the shooting was to pull out/get kicked out in 1921(?) and then ensure equality of citizens as parts of a civil society in the demographically divided 6 Counties. The longer Israel stays, the worse it'll be when they pull out once and for all. The only other option is to literally push the Palestinians out, which would make Sharon et al exactly one step removed from the more bloodthirsty ethnic cleansers of the past century.

The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years.
Japan was militaristic for ?? years.

Concessions only fueled their wars.

Only when they were completely defeated, and then re-educated - taught against violence, that they became a peacefull society.


Terrorism is exactly the same, only worse, since it hides among civilians.

[Sirotnikov]

Blah.

If you don't intend to actually seriously respond to it, but merely dismiss it, tell me in advance.

It's tiring.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Panag, even I dont' get you...

take more time to better explain yourself.

hi ,

good , no-one is supposed to get us , ......

if you have a Q , you know the way to make contact , ....

aldo there is the ability that on some Q's , you shall get "no comment" , ......but next year we can go and drink somethink , near the end of the subway , get it , ....

have a nice day

[Sirotnikov]

Look, you believe what you want.

You refuse to deal with the facts on the ground, and that will bite you on the ass eventually.


The Palestinians are right now brain washed, and after the 18 months long war, blood hungry and desparate.

"This is when you make concessions" you say.

Wrong!

Because they are brainwashed, they will see it as a "victory" and think "terror got us the west bank, let's continue and get more".

It's people like you who gave Czechoskovakia to Hitler, instead of kicking his ass before he started WWII.

Don't you ever learn?

You assume that your adverseries are reasonable and logical people.

But guess what? They are not!
Osama is not! Saddam is not! Assad is not! Arafat is not!

First , you remove them.

Then, you begin to solve the problems and appeasing the people.

Every step for the good of the Iraqi/Palestinian/Iranian people that you do, with the terrorist regime remaining, is wasted and only promotes the regime to continue his violent policy.

[Sirotnikov]

I would like to point out that Panag is talking nonsense...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Look, you believe what you want.

You refuse to deal with the facts on the ground, and that will bite you on the ass eventually.


The Palestinians are right now brain washed, and after the 18 months long war, blood hungry and desparate.

"This is when you make concessions" you say.

Wrong!

Because they are brainwashed, they will see it as a "victory" and think "terror got us the west bank, let's continue and get more".

It's people like you who gave Czechoskovakia to Hitler, instead of kicking his ass before he started WWII.

Don't you ever learn?

You assume that your adverseries are reasonable and logical people.

But guess what? They are not!
Osama is not! Saddam is not! Assad is not! Arafat is not!

First , you remove them.

Then, you begin to solve the problems and appeasing the people.

Every step for the good of the Iraqi/Palestinian/Iranian people that you do, with the terrorist regime remaining, is wasted and only promotes the regime to continue his violent policy.

hi ,

Sirotnikov , lets not forget all those pal's who want them out , ......look at some pic's , from gaza , we build that place , ....also , lets not forget that arafat until a couple years ago was blowing planes up , ....has the world forgotten that ,.....?

have a nice day

[Eli]

We were occupying the territories for 20 years. During this time, there were only a few teracts inside Israel and a few plane hijackings.

The Palestinians decided to achieve their goals using violence and started the first Intifada. They were using stones, strikes, and molotovs. After 5-6 years, Israel surrendered to the demands, started negotiating and singed Oslo.

During the next 7 years, the new goverment brainwashed the population, brought thousands of guns, machineguns, missiles, bombs, military knowledge etc. And, yet another step, they opened fire again.

If Israel starts with "more concessions" now, in 10 years people like KH will demand us to give the Galilee.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I would like to point out that Panag is talking nonsense...

hi ,



have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by Eli
We were occupying the territories for 20 years. During this time, there were only a few teracts inside Israel and a few plane hijackings.

The Palestinians decided to achieve their goals using violence and started the first Intifada. They were using stones, strikes, and molotovs. After 5-6 years, Israel surrendered to the demands, started negotiating and singed Oslo.

During the next 7 years, the new goverment brainwashed the population, brought thousands of guns, machineguns, missiles, bombs, military knowledge etc. And, yet another step, they opened fire again.

If Israel starts with "more concessions" now, in 10 years people like KH will demand us to give the Galilee.

hi ,

and then after a second shoah , they say , sorry we where wrong , .....

have a nice day

[KrazyHorse]

I'd like to point out that you are too. Your government seems to have lost it coherence too. You've got a Cabinet with members that want to toss the Palestinians out by force, the general population knows that the only solution is a 2-state one but the ruling party has decided against it for political reasons, yet the government is committed to a negotiation but they're not quite sure who, and maybe we should start negotiations at a different point than they left off last time.

Why don't you guys elect some competent officials for once? Maybe then the Palestinians will get themselves some competent officials and this can stop looking like a tragic farce to the rest of the world...

Or maybe not, and we'll try your solution for 3 months, figure out that it isn't working and go back to square one. With a plan like that I could get elected to the Knesset!

[KrazyHorse]

love the avatar, Siro.

[Panag]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'd like to point out that you are too. Your government seems to have lost it coherence too. You've got a Cabinet with members that want to toss the Palestinians out by force, the general population knows that the only solution is a 2-state one but the ruling party has decided against it for political reasons, yet the government is committed to a negotiation but they're not quite sure who, and maybe we should start negotiations at a different point than they left off last time.

Why don't you guys elect some competent officials for once? Maybe then the Palestinians will get themselves some competent officials and this can stop looking like a tragic farce to the rest of the world...

Or maybe not, and we'll try your solution for 3 months, figure out that it isn't working and go back to square one. With a plan like that I could get elected to the Knesset!

hi ,

KH , wake-up , arafat is getting paid as a member of the government (!) , with bank Leumi there is an account on his name with about 62 million dollars (US) , ....
the government is an example of a real democrazy , .....otherwise the problem would be fixed , ....

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
love the avatar, Siro.

hi ,

that only leaves Eli and Dal to change theirs , ......

have a nice day

[KrazyHorse]

ME-thread annoyance factor kicking in. Enough for now...

I love the feeding frenzy for Israelis and ex?-Israelis these turn into.

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't live there...

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'd like to point out that you are too. Your government seems to have lost it coherence too. You've got a Cabinet with members that want to toss the Palestinians out by force, the general population knows that the only solution is a 2-state one but the ruling party has decided against it for political reasons, yet the government is committed to a negotiation but they're not quite sure who, and maybe we should start negotiations at a different point than they left off last time.

Everyone know that a 2 state solution is the only one.
But no right-winger wants to be the first to admit it.

I'm sure that is sooooo "unsual" in politics

And again, you're simply ignoring my previous explanations why can't we agree to anymore concessions.

Why don't you guys elect some competent officials for once? Maybe then the Palestinians will get themselves some competent officials and this can stop looking like a tragic farce to the rest of the world...

Hmm...

I seem to recall we had 5 different leaders since 1993...

The Palestinians stayed with Arafat...

Or maybe not, and we'll try your solution for 3 months, figure out that it isn't working and go back to square one. With a plan like that I could get elected to the Knesset!