D Day

[Saras]

The "untrue" was regarding my alleged hatred.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Saras
Find me say that, cut and paste. I dare you.

Do you think that Communists were just as inhumane as the Nazis?

You can settle it here once and for all.

What that untrue statement has to do with your denigration of the importance of D-Day landings is beyond me.

It has to do with everything.

"Truth" is accomodated according to how one "feels" about another one.

An all too common falacy.

You hate the russians for what they did to you country (which I respectfully will not of course deny) and so you underestimate their primordial importance in defeating the nazi krauts which makes most others' efforts pale in comparison.

[Saras]

Two quotes:

--"says the guy who thinks nazis are more humane than communists"

--"Do you think that Communists were just as inhumane as the Nazis?"

So which do you wnat to know, the humaneness or the inhumaneness?

[Bereta_Eder]

aren't they the two sides of the same coin? namely my question?

[Saras]

--"You hate the russians for what they did to you country (which I respectfully will not of course deny) and so you underestimate their primordial importance in defeating the nazi krauts which makes most others' efforts pale in comparison"

Just because Zhukov and Konev used human wave attacks that caused high casualties does not make their effort any more valuable. Of course they were heroes and martyrs, but don't overdo on the the idolisation side, OK? And don't say that efforts of Brits and Amis pale in comparison because none of these were invaded. If the US was inveded by Germans, you'd see no less heroism than the Russians - maybe more brains and more sensible tactics.

[Bereta_Eder]

yes, yes,
but we talk about what happened not about what would have happened IF...

And I'm not the one who overdoes it on the idolisation. At least I have a basis for what I say and what I overdo= history and deeds, unlike some others who "saved us from speaking german" or were just fighting their own reflexions on the mirror (or the other way of the chanel)

[Saras]

--"aren't they the two sides of the same coin? namely my question?"

No. When both are inhumane, none can be more "humane".

I will not say anything about the relative inhumaneness, because it is impossible.

But as always I will most likely be accused, despite not actually saying the words, of being pro-nazi because of my rabid anti-communism. Which is course not true and also moronic.

[Bereta_Eder]

there are different shades of grey as there are different levels of "inhumanity". black and white is another continent's fixation

And actually I understand what you say pretty good and where it is coming from. I don't think you're a pro-nazi.

[Saras]

The us saving everyone from speaking german is an exaggeration, to say the least.

But wait until a Brit sees that remark of yours about mirrors...

[Dry]

Originally posted by Drekkus
The 6 days war started on the 6th of the 6th? :hmm:

D-Day was the 6/6 ... and the H-hour was... you guessed: 6am.

The 6/6 at 6am, the Beast came out of the water , the apocalypse begun... we are now under its rule. , bow before its might

[Bereta_Eder]

Picture this my dear Lithuanian:

There was a celebration for D Day some years back, somewhere in england IIRC. there were all the flags of the countries who took part in the war and were on the side of the allies. the greek flag was in the centre next to the british flag all nicely tucked up.

now, it was a year when the yogoslav war was raging and the western propaganda machine had made sure that everyone (but few) believed that the average serb was no better than a minion of satan himself.

and where was the yugoslav flag? or the serbian one?
it was nowhere to be found.

i naively thought of this as a celebration of the allies victory against those nazi guys, not yet another geopolitical propaganda forum.

a feast to honor all those who died fighting, bastards and heroes alike.


just because it did not serve the west's plan of that time to present the serbs as anything remotely "good" in the silly eyes of the naive sheep that is public opinion their flag was nowhere to be found.

does that mean that they did not fight the nazis while the croatians were busy slaughtering serbs and jews alike with their lasting even up to today german friends?
i guess it does.

does any yankee knows anything real about that war or does he only knows that "we saved europe from the nazis" as he is brought up to believe?

some people are so pathetic as to actually start to marvel at the might of the german war machine of that time, as if it was something really "cool"
yes i overdo it but just to punch some perspective into the whole deal. god knows we have enough american "info" as it is.

in short if they don't bother to honor those who died, then what's the point for D Day threads and celebrations? History can so easily be pissed on it seems. next time it might just as easily be you.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

For an "Holywoodian" point of view, Bad people cannot be Brave, Smart, a some Good sides.

Since the D-Day was an hellish day for all guy who battled this day. But they were a lot of hellish battles this same year, for sure!

I remember that Iracq was shown as a progressist, liberal, somewhat democartic country when they were at war against the Evil Iran (Kids slaughter ...). Only few "rumors" about slaughter of Kurds ...

Now Iracqis are just bastard ... La Roue de la Fortune est d'une fort capricieuse nature ...

[Az]

yes, but the fact that Iraq was wrongly portrayed as heroes , doesn't mean , that it's now wrongly portrayed as *******s , with the grand anal Khalif , Saddam Hussein.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Perhaps he is referring to the ones who were beaten to death by Allied troops who couldn't stand their snotty, cheese-eating anti-everythingism.

Poor hamburger-eater pedantic morron ...

They not many french in normandy landing, because they were only few french division in England. Yet many french civilian were killed by US and British bombs. It was the price of freedom...

French Army was far more involved in Landing in Provence (3 US division / 7 french division : 250.000 men) as we had still "free" divisions in North Africa.

There were case were french army fired against Allied or other french soldiers. But it was uncommon. At this time our army was beheaded or, worst, bi-headed.

[Az]

Zobo, face it , you'll never be able to shake off the image of the ones that surrendered to Nazi Germany. Despite all , facts , and evidences that may , or may not , exist, this will always haunt you. well , until the next war , maybe.