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the real world isn't racist by law. I'm not saying there aren't racist employers. But by law they aren't racist. So by law the colleges shouldn't be racist. If a dean Or whoever approves takes a black person over a white person- that is his decision. Only he will know in his mind if that was based on race. But to have a policy to take one race over the other contradicts the law.
So because de jure racism is no longer, we should allow de facto racism, Dissident?
Arrian, Cal ain't got me. Cal lives in this bizzaro world where fighting racism is being racist.
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AA is racism. There is no other way to describe it.
The arguments against it are very weak.
You have one poster who attacks the people saying it. Like somehow he is able to travel thousands of miles and get inside our heads. Somehow he assumes we are paranoid straight males.
Do you even know I'm straight Mr. Fun? do you even know I'm a male? Do you even know I'm a native american? I am. But not enough I suppose to get admission to this college because my skin is still white.
I still think AA is racist. But it doesn't bother me the least bit. As I've said before I'm all for giving people a boost. But there should come a time when they don't need that boost. Or they have enough pride to be offended by such programs. But that isn't my decision. I'll leave that up to the minorities.
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because it's not discrimination against white males. No obstacles are being placed in white males' pathes. White males are not being prevented from entering school or getting scholarships due to their race or gender.
I think you should go look at some of my posts again Che, it seems to have escaped your notice, but I pointed out that obsticles WERE placed in my way because of race.
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Originally posted by Dissident
I still think AA is racist. But it doesn't bother me the least bit. As I've said before I'm all for giving people a boost. But there should come a time when they don't need that boost. Or they have enough pride to be offended by such programs. But that isn't my decision. I'll leave that up to the minorities.
Do you think they will admit it when the time comes that they dont need a boost? Or is it more likely that they will keep claiming victim status and taking the money? I know which scenario I think is more likely.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
But I want to know if you AA supporters think I should get special admission to this college because I'm part native american. My people have been discriminated against. But wait! My skin is white. So does that exclude me from the AA program?
Unless you are in favor of thought control (hmmm...you are a commie), the government can't stamp out de facto racism. And, IMO, its attempts to do so through affirmative action aren't going to work, and in fact may be counterproductive.
The best way to fight racism, IMO, is to educate - specifically public education (k-12), and working to improve our terrible inner city schools, so that kids from all over will have equal opportunities for higher education and/or employment.
Yes, Chris, your post did escape my notice. You did not indicate whether she received a minority scholarship or not. You are aware there are scholarships for Greek-Americans, are you not? I knew plenty of Black students that had to work their way through shool. I, on the other hand, recieved need based grants and loans which paid for everything and some living expenses. Unfortunately, it was haphazard, and our Financial Aid department was so messed up that I didn't know from one quarter to the next whether I'd be in school. . . . and now I have $45K in loans to pay off.
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How often is affirmative action debated on Apolyton anyway -- once every week??
First off, once again, someone on this thread stated that affirmative action is about seeking out less qualified minority group members.
That is definitely a distortion -- AA is about seeking out equally qualified or more qualified, minority group members.
As for the real world -- it is still the old white boys' club -- that is how the real world works, Dissident.
AA is about doing away with that racist club mentality.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
Unless you are in favor of thought control (hmmm...you are a commie), the government can't stamp out de facto racism. And, IMO, its attempts to do so through affirmative action aren't going to work, and in fact may be counterproductive.
Ha ha. Racism is not simply dislike or hatred of a different race. It isn't simply thinking that another race is morally inferior. It also includes the ability to put those beliefs into practice. If it were simply a case of white folks not liking Black folks, well you know, most Black folks I know don't care. But being followed around in stores, being told you aren't qualified for school or a job when you are, being hassaled by the police for daring to drive a nice car or be walkin in a nice neighborhood, all these things take a toll on a person. These are the kind of things that can and should be outlawed. AA attempts to outlaw one of these practices, being told you aren't qualified for a job based on an excess of melanonin in your skin.
As for a backlash caused by AA, there was a backlash caused by Blacks trying to end segregation on busses, a backlash when Blacks tried to get the right to vote. Every step of the way towards full euqality by those who are oppressed has created a backlash.
There is a near constant backlash against women trying to have careers. Every 5 years or so some new half-baked study says women are more likely to die in a terrorist attack then get married past age 30. Now it's how all these women have discovered at 40 that they missed having a family! All the time being told that women are "bad" for making the choice to have a career, when men aren't ever told that.
And what about the backlash against Gay liberation? Supposeldy gays want "special rights," like the right to get married, and the right not to lose a job or a home or a child because of sexual orientation. Gosh, I wish us straight people had those "special rights." Oh wait, we do.
Every movement towards freedom is resisted by those in power. Always has been, always will be. And because they are able to dupe the foolish and reactionary into following them is no reason to oppose freedom.
The best way to fight racism, IMO, is to educate - specifically public education (k-12), and working to improve our terrible inner city schools, so that kids from all over will have equal opportunities for higher education and/or employment.
-Arrian
I can totally get behind that, but that still puts off to the future remediation for the effects of racism today.
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