In the military, there is no free speech to criticize the Commander in Chief. I remember that during the Clinton administration lots of generals got in trouble for be openly critical of the CiC. If an officer feels that strongly, he needs to resign.
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Dino, you are not allowed to impugn your superiors in the military (including POTUS). This is not a new issue. There was a colonel who got in trouble with the Clinton administration for this same thing. Several cases before that as well.
Roland, could you restate your last sentence. I couldn't understand what you were trying to say.
On the issue of warnings, part of the problem is the sheer number of them. This was something that was brought out by the 1946 investigation of Pearl Harbor. It's not that we didn't know of a a threat, (in that case we had even clearer understanding of the enemy and had even broken the diplomatic codes, etc.), but that we didn't think that they would strike so boldly. Let's not forget how sompletely shocked and dumbfounded everyone was on the morning that the 911 attacks occurred. It's easy to look back and criticize.
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Didn't something happen with Clinton where an officer in the army criticized him and was reprimanded?
I would certainly be fired for asserting my boss were a murderer, I see no reason why that shouldn't be even more the case in the armed forces, where discipline and loyalty are imperative.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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No one dislikes the Bush administration more than I, but to think that he and those close to him would sacrifice nearly 3,000 innocent people, simply for political gain... it's more than a little paranoid.
The man is drooling, idiotic buffoon. He is NOT a monster.
Couldn't say that any better myself, so I'll just quote it.
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Didn't something happen with Clinton where an officer in the army criticized him and was reprimanded?
I would certainly be fired for asserting my boss were a murderer, I see no reason why that shouldn't be even more the case in the armed forces, where discipline and loyalty are imperative.
He's lucky he's not sitting in an outpost in northern Greenland right now.
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Mindseye, what would have happned if this were the Chinese Army? Something particularly awful?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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The interesting thing is whether this was a private letter? If so, how did the newspaper get it? He'd have to be an idiot to send it to the newspaper himself, but considering his opinions I guess that's self-evident.We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.
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Mindseye, what would have happned if this were the Chinese Army? Something particularly awful?
Well, I don't really know, but I'd have to say it's hard to imagine a Chinese soldier dumb enough to publish such a letter, given the way things work here.
Officals are occasionally criticized in newspapers. One of several things might be happening (at least as far as I can tell). It might be the surface ripple of in-fighting between Party factions. It might be a gov't santioned "hit" to get rid of an embarrassing official who is causing too much trouble. It may actually be a crusading newspaper trying to fight corruption (it does happen these days), or it could just be a dumb editor.
A bizarre example of the latter was a newspaper which recently criticized Jiang Zemin himself, and was subsequently shut down. The criticism? In the upside-down world that is contemporary China, they criticized him for not being a true Communist due to his decision to begin allowing capitalists into the Party! You can only scratch your head over a place where a Communist gov't gives Model Worker awards to capitalist entrepreneurs.
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Originally posted by Guynemer
There might be a free speech issue here, DD. He is being punished by the government for speaking his mind...Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
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Wonder how long it'll be before they have something like this for Dubya....
The Clintons have left a trail of death and destruction in thier wake. This is who we’ve lost and why they were targetted. Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could ... Read more
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James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.
We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.
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Yeah....don't you just HATE IT when that happens?!
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GP, what I think Roland is saying is, if the Bush Administration had known what was going to happen, they would have acted to stop it. However, if they merely knew that a lesser attack was going to take place, such as multiple hijackings, they may have decided to let that take place.
Right now, we know for certain that the latter event occured. Bush was briefed that there were going to be attempts to hijack airliners. They claim in defense that they thought they were going to be "normal" hijackings. Ashcroft himself took the warnings seriously enough to stop using commerical flights.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Bah...if they knew that much...if Ashcroft stopped using commercial flights, then they knew the whole hog...or at least had the pieces sitting right in front of them and intentionally didn't put them together.
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