Stalin Math on the sub-Continent

[Frankychan]

my bad guys,

I misinterpreted the meaning of 'minor'. I thought that you meant the meaning in the terms of: "the suffering that the Nukes caused" was minor, not "in terms of LIVES LOST to population".

once again, sorry that I misinterpreted your meaning!

No hard feelings guys?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Mercator
And it's not only just population, but more importantly surface... Even if Pakistan and India were on par with everything else, Pakistan would still lose, simply because they'd need more nukes to cover all of India...

There isn't going to be a winner in a nuclear war. Both countries have enough warheads to completely destroy the other side, if not entirely, then economically. Pakistan has mid-range missiles that cover all of India.

Any side that hits the other's cities with nuclear weapons will be hunted down as war criminals by the rest of the world, which will be justifiably upset over this heinous act.

So if the Indian government thinks that they can survive due to sheer numbers, they'd wrong.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
If I were an Indian citizen, by now I'd up in arms rioting in the streets, demanding the current government to immediately step down.

You should be taking care of business in the same way closer to home.

[KrazyHorse]

I'm beginning to feel like the accounts UR is receiving of the conflict aren't rooted in reality. The Pakistanis aren't exactly the innocent victims...

[Sikander]

Originally posted by frankychan
I don't know about you, but my grandfather on my mother's side was from Hiroshima.

He died when I was 10 from cancer. If you think that this is "minor".....well....I'd probably get banned for what I could say.

He said relatively minor. More civilians were killed in conventional fighting on Okinawa than in either of the nuclear blasts, and they weren't even targeted as they were during the B-29 raids, several of which also killed more people than the nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan lost millions of people during WWII, and a small percentage of those people were killed by nuclear weapons. IMO the A bomb saved Japanese lives as well as allied.

Of course for your family the loss of your grandfather was a tradegy. But who can say that he would have survived a protracted war to have your mother in the absence of the A bomb. Starvation killed a lot of people after the war was over, imagine how devestating it would have been if the blockade had continued for another year or more.

[Mr. President]

I think it was David Eddings who wrote (through one of his barely-developed novel characters) "Thy force should outnumber thine opponents by a third to be certain of victory".

It's horrible but it's true. Well, mostly true. India's army is around twice the size of Pakistan's, but they've failed to conclusively win any of the wars to date. Nuclear weapons are probably looking better and better to their high command, as an option to eliminate lots of enemy troops and equipment at once without the face-to-face fighting that they can't seem to get right.

As for Pakistan, the numbers might lean them towards nuclear exchange. The same consideration remains, that high-explosive weapons like hydrogen bombs or, on a smaller scale, daisy-cutters and those fifteen-ton bombs they dropped in Afghanistan, remove a large amount of enemy materiel quickly. Since they are severely lacking in numbers, nukes may constitute a way for them to even out the spread.

Notwithstanding the fact that neither country would survive a nuclear exchange (which would be compounded by the fact that neither has developed more sophisticated nuclear weapons like depleted uranium or neutron bombs), of course.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'm beginning to feel like the accounts UR is receiving of the conflict aren't rooted in reality. The Pakistanis aren't exactly the innocent victims...

Neither side is enduring themsleves to sanity but what has made the Indians so mad? The attack on Parliment? There has been violence in Kashmire for decades. Is it only when they attack the Indians directly do they take notice? I'm not trying to justify the acts of the terrorists at all. I'm just wondering why the Indians are willing to risk nuclear war over something that has been going on for decades.

[KrazyHorse]

They'd both be willing to risk nuclear war just to get their rocks off at each other.

Musharraf was the one who indicated that he'd be willing to go nuclear even if the Indians didn't you know...

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
They'd both be willing to risk nuclear war just to get their rocks off at each other.

Musharraf was the one who indicated that he'd be willing to go nuclear even if the Indians didn't you know...

And that goes back to me saying that both sides are insane. Indians officials stated that 15-20 million deaths would be an acceptable loss.


edit: Insane isn't the right word. They just dont give a damn.

[KrazyHorse]

On this one I'm just a bystander. I'd generally side with India (more democratic, less militaristic overall, more leftist), but in Kashmir they play the role of a foreign oppressor fairly well.

[Fidel]

Re: Stalin Math on the sub-Continent

Originally posted by Seeker
Are India's nationalist parties and ministers making a 'Stalin equation' (i.e. in World War 2, Stalin knew that USSR with 300 million could lose 20 million with much overall impact) in their conflict with Pakistan?

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Was that in some of the DC Marvel editions or you saw it in one of Hollywood blockbusters?

[Sprayber]

Re: Re: Stalin Math on the sub-Continent

Originally posted by LaRusso
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Was that in some of the DC Marvel editions or you saw it in one of Hollywood blockbusters?

He may have gotten it here off this one. Its the first in a series.

http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone/l/i/lipatov1/hitler01.gif.html

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Re: Stalin Math on the sub-Continent

Originally posted by Sprayber


He may have gotten it here off this one. Its the first in a series.


http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone/l...ler01.gif.html

wow

[Sprayber]

everyone has thought about what would happen if Stalin and Hitler used their magic against each other.

[Sprayber]

do you see the similarities between Stalin and luke skywalker? can you guess who yoda is?

http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/zone/l/i/lipatov1/hitler03.gif.html