A Tribute to the Persecuted White, Hetero, Man

[chequita guevara]

White is a social catagory, not a color. Southern Europeans are not considered white by some. A friend related to me how she turned around when she was in England cuz someone was screaming "You Black bastard!" She couldn't see a Black man anywhere but finally realized that the shouter was refering to a Greek taxi driver.

[Aeson]

Can't think of any examples of heterosexuals being persecuted..

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by MrFun
Cal, I am VERY much for equal rights.

Those type of people in white advocacy gorups are not necessarily racist, but delusioned, paranoid, insecure, or for some of them -- actually racist.

Since you posted on my thread, care to answer my two initial questions? I even give permission for use of imagination and creativity to provide me with some comic relief.

Oh, you are so gracious to give me such permission!

Your name is apt MrFun, half of what you post gives me a laugh.

Has there been a long history of persecutions against white Northern Europeans because of their race?

Probably not, but who cares? Are you only allowed to celebrate your heritage if you "have a long history of persecution"?

Has there been a long history of persecutions against heterosexual men because of their sexual orientation?

Nope.

[MrFun]

EDIT --- crossposting corrected


Ok, so we have answered both of my questions then.

1) There has been past crimes against humanity committed by whites onto other whites.

2) There has never been persecution against heterosexuals.




Now, to my next question:

1) Due to the persecution of whites by other whites in the past, is there really a need for advocacy organizations such as NAAWP?



PS: We have already proven the need for gay pride and not straight pride, so that is the end of that part.

Also, Cal keeps ignoring the fact that I agree that celebration of white ethnic or cultural heritage is legitimate.

[Kropotkin]

Integration is really a two-way process. If a bunch of minorites after years of being ignored stats to force-feed the white norm with their culture some whites will be prone to feel uneasy about it all.

[Aeson]

I did check

I have a rather sluggish connection to Poly right now, and the time stamps are pretty close...

[MrFun]

I accidentally cross posted too.

Reread my latest post guys, please.

thanks

[David James]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
White is a social catagory, not a color.

Ah, and here beginith the leftist sociological drivel...

[Kropotkin]

So you're actually white David James?
The last time I saw you in front of the west ham goal you looked more like brown

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by MrFun
1) Due to the persecution of whites by other whites in the past, is there really a need for advocacy organizations such as NAAWP?

Whites are targeted for discrimination through affirmative action.

Also, Cal keeps ignoring the fact that I agree that celebration of white ethnic or cultural heritage is legitimate.

I think celebration of any ethnic heritage is silly.

[Aeson]

Exclusive grouping will only lead to more seperation between groups. As I said earlier, a humanitarian advocacy group would be more powerful (assuming all the factional groups joined it) and less divisive.

Pride of any sort (nationalistic, racial, religious, or based on sexual preference) is a dangerous thing. Just about every war ever fought, every (wide spread) injustice ever done, can be attributed at least in part to some form of pride taken too far.

I think an easy test of whether personal pride is well founded is if you can transfer that pride to humanity, rather than the exclusive grouping it currently is in. If it can't do that, it's because the individual requires someone to 'look down' on to feel superior. If you can do it, then why the hell not do it?

No one is more entitled to feel proud of their heritage than anyone else. Again it would be best to place this pride in an inclusive grouping, rather than exclusive.

[chequita guevara]

David James, would you care to explain why the Irish weren't considered white in the US? How about Italians, Croatians and Greeks? All were considered black in the 19th and early 20th Century. In Haiti, people Americans consider to be Black would be considered white. In South Africa, an African-American visiting the country was legally white. Whiteness doesn't depend on the color of your skin. It depends on what people consider you.

Cali, what do you then suggest should be done to counter discrimination that favors whites? Any program which targets white favoritism will be targetting whites. In your definition that will be racism.

[David James]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The Irish wren't cosidered white for a long time, you know. There's a good book on the subject of Irish oppression, How the Irish Became White.

You know, this is silly. The Irish were only "persecuted" (and I use the term with a lot of reservation) after the Reformation when they continued to support Catholic Pretenders to the English (and later British) throne. Had they succeeded, we'd not be sitting here yabbering on about alleged persecution of this, that, and the other thing. We'd still all be under the boot of unaltered of state-supported Roman Catholicism. If anything, the rest of the world owes Protestant Northern Europeans a load of thanks for showing the world that human liberty is possible, for the fight against Catholic persecution later turned into a fight for civil liberties. So there.

This reminds me of that academic device; the counterfactual. Had whites never existed, would the world be a better place? I think you know my answer and I think that if most of you actually think about you'll be forced to agree, however reluctantly.

[David Floyd]

I would argue that straight white males are persecuted today, through various affirmitive action and "pro-diversity" programs in universities and businesses, and also by the very existence of groups such as the NAACP. Minorities already have equal rights (well, perhaps not homosexuals), now all they want are entitlements at the expense of white males.

Homosexuals are probably a slightly different story - they certainly don't have equal rights in most US states, and as such I can see a function for BENIGN homosexual advocacy groups, so long as said groups do not aggressively cram their beliefs down the throats of others, particularly children in schools.

On the issue of rights to form groups, though, even assuming white advocacy groups are necessarily racist - which isn't true - they have just as much right to organize and promote their views in a benign fashion, just as everyone else does.

[chequita guevara]