Which company is more evil? Sony or Microsoft?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
The trial just started. Aparantly the EU anti-trust commision thinks the US is too lenient on MS, and is pressing for harder actions against the company.

When did this trial start?
Can you show me some links?
Is it as laughable as the US trial?

Turnover. What else? And who cares about cash reserves?

Most companies tend to care about how much cash they have. It's part of running a business, you know? The goal is to get the most money possible, not most employees.

Turnover? Employee turnover?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


The trial just started. Aparantly the EU anti-trust commision thinks the US is too lenient on MS, and is pressing for harder actions against the company.

I agree with the EU on this one.

[Saint Marcus]

Sony is ranked nr30. MS isn't in the top50.

[Asher]

The EU is going to have one helluva time doing much of anything to an American company aside from increasing taxes or something...

Oh well, let them have their power kick.

The US was not to lenient on MS, the US just focused on the wrong things.

What's the basis of the EU anti-trust trial? That Windows costs too much? (even though costs have been stable for about a decade now?)

[Saint Marcus]

I agree with the EU on this one.

So do I


is hell freezing over?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Sony is ranked nr30. MS isn't in the top50.

In terms of WHAT?
Employees?!
Revenue?!

Last time I checked Microsoft was still the posterboy for companies. EXTREMELY thick profit margins, continued growth.

Last time I checked Sony only had one of their divisions turn a profit last year (Computer Entertainment -- PS2)

[Asher]

I'd really love to know where you get your figures, Marcus, because nothing is even close to agreeing with you.

http://specials.ft.com/ft500/may2001/FT31FEOVHMC.html

Top global companies at April 30 2001 in terms of Market Capital:

1  1  General Electric  US  482,051.80  240  
2  5  Microsoft  US  362,980.10  977  
3  3  Exxon Mobil  US  306,222.80  78  
4  4  Pfizer  US  273,384.30  480  
5  7  Citigroup  US  250,730.70  810  
6  6  Wal Mart Stores  US  231,301.60  524  
7  -  AOL Time Warner  US  214,528.90  535  
8  10  Royal Dutch/Shell  UK/Neth  210,622.20  78  
9  9  Intel  US  207,653.20  936  
10  16  NTT DoCoMo  Japan  206,349.60  678  
11  18  Intl Business Machines  US  202,738.90  932  
12  15  BP  UK  201,708.40  78  
13  8  Vodafone  UK  197,556.10  678  
14  11  American Intl Group  US  189,412.30  839  
15  13  Merck  US  174,948.20  480  
16  19  GlaxoSmithKline  UK  166,265.10  480  
17  12  Nokia  Finland  155,355.00  938  
18  21  Verizon Communications  US  148,884.90  673  
19  17  SBC Communications  US  140,320.80  673  
20  24  Johnson & Johnson  US  134,883.10  480  
21  2  Cisco Systems  US  123,553.10  938  
22  25  Toyota Motor  Japan  122,599.30  311  
23  23  HSBC  UK  122,141.90  810  
24  22  Coca-Cola  US  114,876.10  418  
25  26  Novartis  Switzerland  112,084.90  480

[Saint Marcus]

I believe it's about MS bundling of products (like explorer in windows). Some other stuff too, have to look it up


Fortune's Global 500, the world's largest companies (revenue)

Sony: 30th (66,158.4 million USD)
MS: 201st (22,956.0 million USD)

It's clear who's the biggest.

[Saint Marcus]

from the OFFICIAL Fortune500 website:

GLOBAL 500
The World's Largest Corporations

http://www.fortune.com/lists/G500/index.html

[Asher]

Fortune 500 lists in Revenues, not in Market Capital.

Revenues are trivial, market capital is not, when dealing with size.

[Saint Marcus]

it shows Sony is 3 times the size of MS

[Saint Marcus]

I was talking about Revenues. And size is measured in revenues.

[Asher]

BTW, Microsoft is 72 on the Fortune 500 (not 201 -- where'd you pull that from?)
25B in revenues.

Sony's not even listed.

[Asher]

Revenues mean jack ****.
All market capital!

[Saint Marcus]

LOL.

DUH


Fortune500 lists only US companies!

Look at Global500