Why are orthodox christians so anti-Pope?

[Bereta_Eder]

a more elaborate answer to this:

Originally posted by Ned
As for my opinion, the Western empire should have helped the Eastern empire without the "condition" because just as you said, the West's help would have been been repaid in gratitude.

But it would not have united them under the pope. and that's the only thing the pope cared for. read below

It would also have helped roll back the common enemy, the Turks.

it was not a common enemy. as i said the pope deemed as faithful only the catholics.

Constantiople's fall unleashed hundreds of years of terror in Europe.

Yes because the fortress/guardian of europe had fallen...

It's reprocussions are still being felt in turmoil in the Balkans which is obviously based on the hatred between Christians and Muslims stemming from that era.

there is not hate between christians and muslims so much... at least that's what i 'm feeling around me.

oh if you're talking about serbia and all that no

it is an old idea, it is called megali idea (=grand idea) every balkan country has/had it


everyone.

from croatia in 1941
1941 - Nazi Germany invades. A 'Greater Croatia' is formed, also comprising most of Bosnia and western Serbia. A fascist puppet government is installed under Ante Pavelic. The regime acts brutally against Serbs and Jews as it seeks to create a Catholic, all-Croat republic. Hundreds of thousands lose their lives.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1097000/1097156.stm

to greece in 1921

to serbia in 1992

to albania in late '90s

to fyrom in middle 90's

everyone had it


the BIG country. expand the borders to cover all minorities or to simple get what yopu think its yours.


very old.

[Ned]

Patkis, I think it high time the great religions got together and talked. The Pope has reached out not only to the Orthodox churches, but also to the Jewish and Moslem religions. We all workship the same, monotheistic god. We all agree that Jesus was at least a prophet. That is a start.

Issue of who is first among equals can take a back burner, IMHO.

I also believe that dialogue between Islam and Christianity could be a long term solution to the current difficulties. The hostility that currently exists could vanish overnight. Christians would no longer be the Infidel Crusaders, but brothers in the worship of Allah.

Ned

[Bereta_Eder]

two successive empires would do that to you.
they disperse populations wildly and when you want to create a nation state....

also the games big powers played in the balkans only made things worse.

there were some ideas about a confedeeracy of the balkan peoples by some scholars and politicians from romania to greece but it did not bare fruit.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by Ned
Patkis, I think it high time the great religions got together and talked. The Pope has reached out not only to the Orthodox churches, but also to the Jewish and Moslem religions.

reaching out or trying to expand?
all people feel that it is the second...

We all workship the same, monotheistic god. We all agree that Jesus was at least a prophet. That is a start.

yes and that's fine.

Issue of who is first among equals can take a back burner, IMHO.

actually this is not an issue. the craving for leadership is only found in the catholic "shade" of christianity. all other brances dont care.

chucrh has long stopped to be the state you know?

we bring the nations closer with the EU. everyone believes what he wants.

do you want the protestants to give allegiance in the pope? why?

I also believe that dialogue between Islam and Christianity could be a long term solution to the current difficulties. The hostility that currently exists could vanish overnight. Christians would no longer be the Infidel Crusaders, but brothers in the worship of Allah.

you are amercan ned no? beleive me you have a very screwed view of what's really going on between the simple people of both "worlds"

american not meant to be a slansder, just that you think a bit differently and are not so near to the muslims themselves to know what they are thinking.

you just receive their fanatical input like osama.

[Bereta_Eder]

if you stopped interfering with them they'd stop attacking you

religion is just a pretext, always has been, in the balkans too.



religion is not the problem.

but this is a huge problem. and we are living the 3rd phase of the war as thycidides would say

1, the war of words

2nd the war of armies

and 3rd phase the war against the peoples themselves, what he described as the phase of insanity.

[TCO]

your eyelids are getting very....very....heavy. Soon you must sleep, drunk Greek writer...

[Bereta_Eder]

It was that "if you stopped interfering" remark, wasn't it?

[TCO]

Have another glass of wine. It will "help what ails ya".

Salute!

/me raises his glass of red across the Atlantic.

[Bereta_Eder]

(I'm not at home to join you unfortunately... )
(long story)

[TCO]

TALK!!!
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Or I'll take your money, fooker! (Remember that...))

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Both Orthodox and Catholics are Christians.

actually orthodox deem catholics as not so real christians (that they have slipped and comformed with the norms of society too much and drifted apart from the teaechings of christ).

Many Protestant fundamentalists feel that way too. You don't want to be compared to them do you? I know quite a few fundies who, with their rqncor qnd their flared nostrils I'd swear ought to be though of as drifted from the teachings of Christ.

[Bereta_Eder]

it is not something to flare your nostrils about
it is just a feeling


orthodox in general dont flare their nostrils...

we didnt suffer middle ages and never had holy inquisition after all

[TCO]

are you sloshed too, doc?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ned
Patkis, I think it high time the great religions got together and talked. The Pope has reached out not only to the Orthodox churches, but also to the Jewish and Moslem religions. We all workship the same, monotheistic god. We all agree that Jesus was at least a prophet. That is a start.

Issue of who is first among equals can take a back burner, IMHO.

I also believe that dialogue between Islam and Christianity could be a long term solution to the current difficulties. The hostility that currently exists could vanish overnight. Christians would no longer be the Infidel Crusaders, but brothers in the worship of Allah.

Ned

Ahh, but your opinion isn't the same as the officials in the Vatican, to whom the question of who is first is very much a concern. I remember one Christmas eve, while grappling with those three words most feared by parents, "Some Assembly Required", I listened to the midnight mass at the Vatican and John Paul's appeal for unity. It sounded very good, but the next day he repeated the same old line that non-Catholics were to be concidered as being fundamentally "in error" for rejecting the Roman Catholic Church. I'm sorry that it's that way, but there is nothing I can do about it.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by GP
Or I'll take your money, fooker! (Remember that...))

Sure do

i tell you when you get older GP