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Originally posted by GP
They should just resent their own pathetic lack of martial expertise. If they want to be independent, fine. But don't come crawling back to Rome for protection like little babies, every time the Turks kick their asses...
and just because i did not answer this: byzantium outlasted rome by centuries. so it is not really in your favor to say who had the best fighters.
when rome fell to he ground byzantium kept on going. not bad.
actually it is the longest empire in time of europe and maybe the world.
rome had one chance for reconsiliation, helping us in our time of need. instead it did what Ned said. (small addition: the emperor lost his job after that meeting for agreeing and a new one took over)
no honor to her. and none to you GP
it is also a lesson byzantium: stand up for what you believe and never fear the cost.
better true than dead
catholisismm would like us either dead or muslims if not catholcis. sorry no can do
krazukat, you are thinner than a model
oh i forgot OSAMA!
and yes noone likes the pope except some catholcis
Patkis, the Orthodox are catholic too, just not "Roman" catholic. Remember the Nicean Creed.
As for my opinion, the Western empire should have helped the Eastern empire without the "condition" because just as you said, the West's help would have been been repaid in gratitude. It would also have helped roll back the common enemy, the Turks. Constantiople's fall unleashed hundreds of years of terror in Europe. It's reprocussions are still being felt in turmoil in the Balkans which is obviously based on the hatred between Christians and Muslims stemming from that era.
Christianity developed its slightly different bread in rome and byzantium way before the schism.
there are a lot of differences in both churches both dogmatic and social. insignificant if you compare them to other cultures but they are there.
orthodox dont feel "detached" from a mother rome since this is not the case. greece/byzantium always was autophotus (had an inner -its own- light) actually orthodox deem catholics as not so real christians (that they have slipped and comformed with the norms of society too much and drifted apart from the teaechings of christ).
also the patriarchies are autonomous something that the pope doesnt like.
nor does he like the idnependece of protestants.
he remains stuck in the past whereas he should look at the future and not create friction for his own megalomenia
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