Why are orthodox christians so anti-Pope?

[TCO]

They should just resent their own pathetic lack of martial expertise. If they want to be independent, fine. But don't come crawling back to Rome for protection like little babies, every time the Turks kick their asses...

[Bereta_Eder]

And then you want to engage in "serious" talk GP...

See there is a fundamental problem with a lot of people. They deem "wise" and "intelligent" what comforms with their own system of beliefs or simply with their ideas. They discard as worthless whatever does not comform.

Great for an ego boost but not exactly the ideal platform for seriousness especially in an internet forum

[Bereta_Eder]

and for the necessairy troll:

US wants to fight "terrorism"

blame your own inadequicy for getting your people killed

stop bothering the rest of the world who can't care less

[VetLegion]

It fell in 1453 to the Turks because Rome and the Catholic west did not send (enough)aid when it was most needed

are you just telling me this or do you think it is reasonable justification to dislike the pope?

lets take the Turkis example. find an atlas and look at borders of my country (croatia). they are not very natural are they? because of the turks too. so should we hate the turks because of it still? ofcourse not. (although there are many proverbs and jokes in the people about turks, and there are still celebrations of liberation from them in some areas)

but not even kids think that nowadays turkey is to blame.

that is just one example, I mean with europe's history of wars [i]everyonef/i] should be pissed of at everyone else.

[VetLegion]

btw. paiktis I believe you average greek doesnt give a fook.

but Greek church does. Russian also, Serbian also.
Have churches become preservers of ancient grudges?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by VetLegion
btw. paiktis I believe you average greek doesnt give a fook.

but Greek church does. Russian also, Serbian also.
Have churches become preservers of ancient grudges?

lots of things are used to gain "leverage" of all sorts
religion is one of those I guess. also the Pope never really hid his inspirations for a unity of the churches under him and that does not help either I think.

BTW it was really funny to see the "exchange" betwen state and church about the pope.

state: come on... let him come... pretty please?
church: we'll see

[VetLegion]

lots of things are used to gain "leverage" of all sorts
religion is one of those I guess

I agree

also the Pope never really hid his inspirations for a unity of the churches under him and that does not help either I think

but think of benefits to wolrd hygiene if all greek monks had to shave

[Bereta_Eder]

they look cool as they are
way cooler than the shaved tops you have


btw take a loot at this gal and then tell me you don't love bulgaria



(feathers in hat originate from you know who (think ancient greek perikefalees )

BTW shouldn;t the pope have somone next to him? he seems ready to collapse the poor guy

[VetLegion]

state: come on... let him come... pretty please?
church: we'll see

hey, who is financing the church? yep, government. they should have brougt that up

btw does Greek church have impact on voters?
In Croatia church has quite some impact.

[VetLegion]

BTW shouldn;t the pope have somone next to him? he seems ready to collapse the poor guy

just trying to catch a look under the skirt. I dont blame him

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by VetLegion
btw does Greek church have impact on voters?
In Croatia church has quite some impact.

it does not have an impact no.

but the new patriarch is starting to mess around with political issues, something that is frowned upon

(something that in the catholic/protestant world is very widespread practice :see christian democrats for example)

the church had to give permission for the pope to come though because he would not have come other way...
in free non - religious terms he can come whenever he wants though (as all citizens with clear records )



edit: about the skirt the sma eexact thought came to my mind

[Bereta_Eder]

the state and the church "at knives" as we say now

they conflict for some matters as I.D.s (the inscription or not of religion - church lost)

the church's ideas about the euroarmy, the state says mind your own business etc.

BTW the socialists (=the government) were stupid, you don;t shun the church, you try to have good relations with it.
but OTOH the left wing is very powerful too so it evens out somewhat

[TCO]

Originally posted by paiktis22
and for the necessairy troll:

US wants to fight "terrorism"

blame your own inadequicy for getting your people killed

stop bothering the rest of the world who can't care less

We're getting the job done in Afghanistan. Those terrorists will get their chance to dance with 70 virgins...

[TCO]

Originally posted by paiktis22
And then you want to engage in "serious" talk GP...

You're a Greek. You should understand. I like it "both ways".

See there is a fundamental problem with a lot of people. They deem "wise" and "intelligent" what comforms with their own system of beliefs or simply with their ideas. They discard as worthless whatever does not comform.

Great for an ego boost but not exactly the ideal platform for seriousness especially in an internet forum

This was too hard to understand. Either because it made no sense or because I am too slow...

[Bereta_Eder]

who cares, you'll crumble in a few decades anyway.