Agnostics.

[Caligastia]

Better edit that post again sloww...

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
The very word AGNOSTIC exists purely for the reason you say is not an issue.

Yes - it exists because people debate about the existience of god, but agnostics don't participate in that. Are agnostics "sitting ont he fence" because they don't care about that debate? Are they "leaving their options open" simply because they don't give a **** about what everyone else else does?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Not me. As least an atheist is committed to a belief of some kind,
whether I agree or not.
An atheist is too wimpy to cast their lot one way or the other.


And MrFun. I explained it once, twice, thrice for Osweld.
If you can't follow the bouncing ball, it's not my responsibility.

Ok -- I reread your posts. So you did make your arguments. Still, thanks for the comic relief.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Not me. As least an atheist is committed to a belief of some kind,
whether I agree or not.
An agnostic is too wimpy to cast their lot one way or the other.

To me its more wimpy to give in to the arrogant egoism that says "I know God doesnt exist" than to admit "I dont know for sure because I dont know enough about the universe".

Those who exercise self-control over egoistic impulses are not "wimpy" IMO.

[SlowwHand]

Oh come on.
Religious people don't want to burn in Hell, so they do what they are trained is right.
Atheists don't believe in Hell, so screw it all.
Agnostics are just busy pissing their pants over what to believe.

[Clear Skies]

I don't know if I count as a proper agnostic or what - my beliefs are seriously screwed at the moment, just like everything else about me.

I was thinking about this at the weekend, and I thought that no-one had ever explored the possibility that the best thing is just to go into the unknown with your head held high. I used to be a Christian but fell out of the faith because I wasn't up to it or good enough; I tried being atheistic but I know there's someone out there. Sometimes I shiver and feel like someone's watching over me, or something like that.

I know all this sounds pretty insane, but bear with me. I figured I didn't need to believe in what was going to happen when I died, I figured I could just...let it happen. Sounds a bit apathetic. I don't know how to explain it any better - it's like I don't really want to know what's going to happen, I want it just to happen, so I can react to it however I think best. I do believe that things don't just stop after you die, but I don't go any further than that - I want to find out rather than be told.

Someone call the men in white coats, cos I think I need them. Unless that made any sense to anyone.

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by Osweld


Texans.

Hey....hey HEY NOW! So I'm a bit like Mr.Fun. I was raised in the church, have gotten away from it but still have my belief that there is something out there so what does that make me? An Agnostic?

[SlowwHand]

Mortal man can't grasp it, Fanatic. Not to worry.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Oh come on.
Religious people don't want to burn in Hell, so they do what they are trained is right.

You are over-generalizing. While I agree many in organised religion are there because of a fear of hellfire, there are also many "religious people" who are religious because they have experienced God in some way.

Atheists don't believe in Hell, so screw it all.

Many "religious people" dont believe in hell either. I dont. What do you mean by "religous people" anyway? People who believe in God or people who practice organised religion?

Agnostics are just busy pissing their pants over what to believe.

You could say that anyone who is unsure about anything is just "pissing their pants".

[MrFun]

I think spirituality and religion are two separate concepts.

You can have both in whatever you believe, or you can be spiritual without religion.

However, I don't think you can be religious without being spiritual.

I guess since I'm a non-conformist Christian, I am spiritual but not religious.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Caligastia


You could say that anyone who is unsure about anything is just "pissing their pants".

Exactly. Now we're all clear on the subject.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by SlowwHand




Exactly. Now we're all clear on the subject.

It must be great to be so sure of everything, or are you one of those "pant pissers"?

[SlowwHand]

Oh no. I know that the only automatic wrong decision, is no decision.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Oh come on.
Religious people don't want to burn in Hell, so they do what they are trained is right.
Atheists don't believe in Hell, so screw it all.
Agnostics are just busy pissing their pants over what to believe.

I'm agnostic because I think that people who bicker at each other about whether god exists or not, who's god is better, what gender God is, ect.. are completely missing the point of religon, and are taking it all way too literally. Religon, in it's most basic form, is about philosphies, teachings, stories, and legends - not about whether or not there is a big guy in the sky.

I believe that there are a million different deffinitions of "God" - it's just a word, or a medaphore, for life, the workings of the universe, and existance.

[Bereta_Eder]

putting people in neat little boxes based on whether they are atheists, religious or agnostic doesn't really stick.

There are religious people who are great just as they are some who are disgusting.

same with the other 2 "categories".

in the end of the day is the system of values that one holds that counts and that is NOT confined in one of the 3 categories.

you can find a religious person and an agnostic or an atheist who share virtually the same system of values.