Israeli Repression and the Language of Liars

[Sirotnikov]

Imran - that is simply false.

All the arab parties, and Meretz think that Israel should stop being Jewish.

But they can't include it as an official goal.

So you have no point.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Siro... you said, and I quote:

Israel bars candidates who thinks the country should be non-jewish or non-democratic.

Mind clearing that up?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Poles and Russians are ethnic catagories. Judaism is SOLELY a religion, no matter what ignorant people will say.

You are ignorant - no matter what you say.

Jews are and ethnicity, and science is behind that claim.

The fact is that Judaism was always preserved in small closed circles of Jews who only married Jews and so on.

The next issue of Scientific American iirc, will have a big feature about Jews from around the world having common gene patterns, different from non-jews in thier respective countries.

In reality, the Jews are an ethnicity, one very closely tied to the Palestinians and Syrians.

Hence anyone that is for a secular democratic state.

That is again different.

Judaism is the Jewish tradition.

Laws in Israel are based on Jewish tradition the same way that English laws are based on English tradition and so on.

Just because you in America invented it from scratch doesn't mean we ought to.

No one is forced to believe in anything.

However, due to tradition, saturday is the free day and not sunday.

Also, public facitlities have to be kosher since they represent the jewish state and tradition.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jews are and ethnicity, and science is behind that claim.

I like to see that 'science'. Bull****.. it's a religion. You are the ignorant one. Fed too much propaganda by your masters.

In reality, the Jews are an ethnicity, one very closely tied to the Palestinians and Syrians.

Seeing how most people have said Palestinians and Syrians are all Arabs... doesn't this mean that Jews are simply Arab, and thus a Jewish state is just an Arab state .

Judaism is the Jewish tradition.

Laws in Israel are based on Jewish tradition the same way that English laws are based on English tradition and so on.

So no one can run that wants away with the tradition. And you say you are free ?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Siro... you said, and I quote:

Israel bars candidates who thinks the country should be non-jewish or non-democratic.

Mind clearing that up?

The basic law of Knesset says that a party can't include in it's goals:

a) the intention to cancel the democratic nature of israel
b) the intention to cancel the jewish nature of israel

both the first and second clauses were used to ban both extreme arab and extreme jewish parties (kach was one).

now it's also added that any who openly supports a rogue state or rogue actions against israel can't be elected.

which is logical.

imagine a senate member who openly supports bin laden?

[Imran Siddiqui]

b) the intention to cancel the jewish nature of israel

So anyone that wants a secular state. Wouldn't that mean tomorrow Sharon could say all the Arab parties are illegal?

imagine a senate member who openly supports bin laden?

They would be allowed to serve if elected. As long as they don't give up government secrets to aid the enemy, they can stay. See, we have a free democracy .

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Jews are and ethnicity, and science is behind that claim.

I like to see that 'science'. Bull****.. it's a religion. You are the ignorant one. Fed too much propaganda by your masters.

You're the idiot here.

You can yell what your palestinian friend told you all you want, but you have no case since science is against you.

American Journal of Human Genetics has an interesting story about it, due to see light in June this year. Note it down.

In reality, the Jews are an ethnicity, one very closely tied to the Palestinians and Syrians.

Seeing how most people have said Palestinians and Syrians are all Arabs... doesn't this mean that Jews are simply Arab, and thus a Jewish state is just an Arab state .

Not true.

Palestinians considered themselves part of historical Syria. As I've numerously mentioned.

During the 40s and 50s and the (brittish invented) idea of pan-arab unity, the Palestinians thought of themselves as pan-arabs and hoped it would help their cause.

Seeing how it didn't, in the late 60s they decided that it's time to unite themselves behind a nationality, and thus the palestinian nationality was created.

So no one can run that wants away with the tradition. And you say you are free ?

So no one can run that wants away with the constitution? And you say you are free?

[Boris Godunov]

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Jews are and ethnicity, and science is behind that claim.

Whose science?

Geneticists say all humans are genetically 99.5% identical. Race is really a fiction, something created based on appearance to differentiate people. It is not a reality. To base policy on preferring one race over another is racism, nothing less. So it's either religious bigotry or racism, which one? huh?

[Boris Godunov]

So no one can run that wants away with the constitution? And you say you are free?

Says who? In the USA, you can run for office no matter what. Look at David Duke, for chrissakes. You may not WIN, but nothing bars you from running unless you're a convicted felon.

I could run on a platform of making me dictator for life, if I wanted. Hmmm, good idea...

[Sirotnikov]

Look, if you want to logically discuss things - please do.

If you instead want to deny the idea of ethnicity and choose to relish in PC claims and blame science of racism - I'm not interested.

There is nothing racist in ethnical nationality.

Are you calling basques racist because they want to have their own country?

Are you calling catholoc irish racist because they want to have thier own country?

no.

but you are calling zionist jews racist just because they want ot have thier own country.

[Sirotnikov]

Says who? In the USA, you can run for office no matter what. Look at David Duke, for chrissakes. You may not WIN, but nothing bars you from running unless you're a convicted felon.

Well the USA is pretty much alone in this.

In most if not all European countries, there are limits barring you from running for office, if you are racist or anti-democratic.

I could run on a platform of making me dictator for life, if I wanted. Hmmm, good idea...

good luck.

do it in USA... not here.

[Boris Godunov]

but you are calling zionist jews racist just because they want ot have thier own country.

This is a specious claim and you know it. The Jews have their own country, and they are denying one to the Palestinians. By your own logic, the Jews are racist for denying them a country. Glad you can admit that.

Also, the argument wasn't about having one's own country. It was about, within said country, having laws favoring one race over another. That is indeed bigotry. I believe the Nazis did that, didn't they? Germans over everyone else?

[Sirotnikov]

We are no longer denying a country from the palestinians.

Some people in Israel are. I'm not. Neither is the most of Israelis.

What is true, is that currently, no one in Israel trust the palestinians enough, or wants them to have an ability to build an army or something.

We really can't allow them a country for our safety. why?

because they have for years now been enciting against israel in schools, sermons and media. everyone, even school books, glorified suicide bombers and martyrs and describe martyrdom as the holiest and most respectful thing. furthermore, all of those sources preach for non-compromise about palestine - no two states solution, but rather a one single palestine - historical palestine.

https://www.edume.org

Boris, which laws in israel favour israeli jews over israeli non-jews?

as for the immigration policy - it's the same as in germany and poland and russia. furthermore, since israel is an ethnic state, just like germany and poland and russia, the immigration policy is one of it's tools to preserve itself such.

[Lincoln]

All states except Israel are allowed to have immigration laws. If Israel does it then they are like Nazi Germany.

[Mihai]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
We really can't allow them a country for our safety. why?

because they have for years now been enciting against israel in schools, sermons and media. everyone, even school books, glorified suicide bombers and martyrs and describe martyrdom as the holiest and most respectful thing. furthermore, all of those sources preach for non-compromise about palestine - no two states solution, but rather a one single palestine - historical palestine.[

Romania really can't allow hungarians a country for our safety. Why?
We fight them in WWI, we fight them in WWII and they consider those who died fighting against romanian are heros. In hungarian schools they are teach that Transylvania belong to Hungaria.

I say let's burn down the Budapest!
If any western country want to help us, remember that Budapest IS NOT the capital of Romania.