--"I don't want to be offensive, but this is utterly stupid."
I do want to be offensive, so I'll have to say that this only because of your clearly nonexistant knowledge of economics. Any system other than laissez-faire capitalism invloves taking money from some people to give to others. (If you don't like that, replace "money" with "work". Either way, it adds up to slavery.)
--"Yes, anti-murder law limit my freedom to kill too."
Statements like this are self-contradictory. You are misusing the word "freedom". As always, I am arguing from a natural rights perspective and my terminology is the same as Ayn Rand's.
--"Time to grow up, pals, "freedom" is not "doing everything you want"."
This is amusing coming from someone who is misusing the term. If you know that's not what "freedom" is, why do you suggest that's what I'm saying it is?
--"economic freedom is not personal freedom."
Yes, it is, at least in part. There is also a political freedom, but the two are pretty much tied together. If you lose one, you'll lose the other very quickly.
--"so laissez faire economy equals slavery to whatever the big capital dictates."
I'm just plain tired of even trying to argue with people who come out with crap like this. Maybe the best way to get you anwered would be to post your little comments on the econo-thread.
David, don't even bother arguing with him. We've both seen this exact same argument way too many times to expect to get through.
--"We could see that in the awful work conditions in the XIXth century for the workers."
Which had what to do with laissez faire capitalism? Government granted monopolies, government allowing infringements of individual rights by corporations (ie. allowing groups like the Pinkertons to use to physical violence against unions), government subsidies and protectionism... not very much laissez faire going on.
--"Btw, there is a mathematical proof(forgot name of it)"
How convenient for you. If you don't name it, then no one can possibly refute it. Nice argument tactic.
Honestly, does no one take economics classes any more?
Wraith
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyrrany. Free men pull in all kinds of directions. It's the only way to make progress."
-- Terry Pratchett (The Truth)
I do want to be offensive, so I'll have to say that this only because of your clearly nonexistant knowledge of economics. Any system other than laissez-faire capitalism invloves taking money from some people to give to others. (If you don't like that, replace "money" with "work". Either way, it adds up to slavery.)
--"Yes, anti-murder law limit my freedom to kill too."
Statements like this are self-contradictory. You are misusing the word "freedom". As always, I am arguing from a natural rights perspective and my terminology is the same as Ayn Rand's.
--"Time to grow up, pals, "freedom" is not "doing everything you want"."
This is amusing coming from someone who is misusing the term. If you know that's not what "freedom" is, why do you suggest that's what I'm saying it is?
--"economic freedom is not personal freedom."
Yes, it is, at least in part. There is also a political freedom, but the two are pretty much tied together. If you lose one, you'll lose the other very quickly.
--"so laissez faire economy equals slavery to whatever the big capital dictates."
I'm just plain tired of even trying to argue with people who come out with crap like this. Maybe the best way to get you anwered would be to post your little comments on the econo-thread.
David, don't even bother arguing with him. We've both seen this exact same argument way too many times to expect to get through.
--"We could see that in the awful work conditions in the XIXth century for the workers."
Which had what to do with laissez faire capitalism? Government granted monopolies, government allowing infringements of individual rights by corporations (ie. allowing groups like the Pinkertons to use to physical violence against unions), government subsidies and protectionism... not very much laissez faire going on.
--"Btw, there is a mathematical proof(forgot name of it)"
How convenient for you. If you don't name it, then no one can possibly refute it. Nice argument tactic.
Honestly, does no one take economics classes any more?
Wraith
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyrrany. Free men pull in all kinds of directions. It's the only way to make progress."
-- Terry Pratchett (The Truth)
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