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  • #121
    Well I've only studied a year of economics in university so far, and 18 years being the son of an oil exec, so I've still got a lot to learn, but I do understand that companies go out of business when they can't match stronger company's aggressive tactics.

    And the whole whine-fest about Netscape is unfounded to begin with, considering they still make internet browsers to this day.

    But maybe you can teach me about business.
    About how it should be illegal to compete to the point of one business going out of business.
    About how it should be illegal for companies to invest X amount of money into R&D or include basic services in operating systems.

    You go do that, I'll be here listening, since you know so much more about it than I do.

    (And FYI, I do plan to start my own business after I get some job experience after graduation)
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #122
      Originally posted by Asher
      (And FYI, I do plan to start my own business after I get some job experience after graduation)
      Oh wonderful.

      Well I've only studied a year of economics in university so far, and 18 years being the son of an oil exec, so I've still got a lot to learn, but I do understand that companies go out of business when they can't match stronger company's aggressive tactics.

      And the whole whine-fest about Netscape is unfounded to begin with, considering they still make internet browsers to this day.

      But maybe you can teach me about business.
      About how it should be illegal to compete to the point of one business going out of business.
      About how it should be illegal for companies to invest X amount of money into R&D or include basic services in operating systems.

      You go do that, I'll be here listening, since you know so much more about it than I do.
      I'm not going to teach you anything more, Asher. But I will tell where you can find some helpful information about the economics of business and the laws and regulations governing them. Check out the United States Department of Commerce website. You can find a lot information here about how the economy works. Or at least about how the economy is suppose to work.
      HAVE A DAY.
      <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
      "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
      For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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      • #123
        Originally posted by Cloud9
        Oh wonderful.
        Going to get some VC from my dad and make a video game design studio.

        I'm not going to teach you anything more, Asher. But I will tell where you can find some helpful information about the economics of business and the laws and regulations governing them. Check out the United States Department of Commerce website. You can find a lot information here about how the economy works. Or at least about how the economy is suppose to work.
        I don't need to read that, I know how businesses should work.

        Why do I need to read someone else's opinion?

        Out of curiosity, what business experience do YOU have?
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #124
          Originally posted by Asher
          I don't need to read that, I know how businesses should work.
          No, I don't think you do. That's exactly why I have pointed you to the site.

          Why do I need to read someone else's opinion?
          It's not an opinion. IT'S THE LAW.

          Out of curiosity, what business experience do YOU have?
          I read about it. I do a lot of research. I read about it because it is a subject that interests me. If the subject of business interests you as well, then why don't you do the same. What's the matter? Don't like to read things.
          HAVE A DAY.
          <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
          "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
          For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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          • #125
            You can also find more information at the United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division website.
            HAVE A DAY.
            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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            • #126
              Originally posted by Cloud9
              No, I don't think you do. That's exactly why I have pointed you to the site.
              It's not an opinion. IT'S THE LAW.
              Actually, it's not.
              I think you misread it.

              Read the transcripts or at least summaries from the recent trial with the new Judge, she's tossing out what you're mentioning left and right as it doesn't apply to the case. The States are having a real tough time...

              I read about it. I do a lot of research. I read about it because it is a subject that interests me. If the subject of business interests you as well, then why don't you do the same. What's the matter? Don't like to read things.
              I don't like to read what the government wants us to believe, especially when at the same time the judge is tossing out the evidence as presented as it doesn't apply to this MS case, like you seem to think it does.

              I strongly recommend you do your case research, since you enjoy reading so much.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #127
                I'm talking about how the economy works in general, Asher. Not MS specific information.
                HAVE A DAY.
                <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                • #128
                  Originally posted by Cloud9
                  I'm talking about how the economy works in general, Asher. Not MS specific information.
                  Well, that's funny because this thread is about MS.

                  Nice attempt to save your ass.

                  So you think in general it's not right to offer basic products to consumers for free as an addendum to an ever-evolving product, when they are widely accepted to be part of the original product anyway?

                  The reason why "the economy" doesn't work the same way here is because some of the laws don't work well with tech.

                  Stuff like IE is different because it's something new that got developed after the OS began shipping for the first time, and it slowly became such an essential service for operating a computer system that it got bundled in the operating system. Mac OS ships with a browser, Linux ships with a browser, Windows ships with a browser.

                  Obviously, Netscape was a known casualty.

                  Where's the lawsuit from Symantec about Windows Explorer lowering demand for their Norton Commander?

                  Where's the lawsuit from Corel about the bundled WordPad?
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #129
                    Asher I suggest that before you even think about starting your own business that you pursue a degree in business management. You will learn a lot about how the economy works and the safe way to do business. Expand your mind! I strongly recommend it!
                    HAVE A DAY.
                    <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                    • #130
                      Originally posted by Cloud9
                      Asher I suggest that before you even think about starting your own business that you pursue a degree in business management. You will learn a lot about how the economy works and the safe way to do business. Expand your mind! I strongly recommend it!

                      That troll is getting really tedious, so I'm going to stop trying to argue with you.

                      It seems you don't even KNOW what you're talking about, so instead of talking about it you tell ME to "learn about it".

                      So very little effort, so very little effect. 2/10
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #131
                        I already tried reasoning with you, Asher.

                        Well I guess you don't know then, do you. Then that means I have won this arguement and I'm not going to say another word. I will not come back to read this thread further. 'Nuff said.
                        HAVE A DAY.
                        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                        • #132
                          That's right, you won this argument by avoiding and changing the topic as you saw fit, then responded that I need to learn about it.

                          It's extremely poor form.

                          I suggest you go make another poll about the best way to kill yourself.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #133
                            Asher:
                            "No, not in computers.

                            1 single chip architecture for PCs is DEFINITELY a good thing. And we have that. It's called x86. Athlons, Pentiums, Cyrixes, etc all run x86 as an architecture.

                            If we had competing ones (which we WILL in a couple years, mind you -- AMD's x86-64 vs Intel's IA-64), you'll have to download different patches for each architecture, you'll need to buy different software for each architecture, and it'll be a complete hassle to developers to actually make more than one version.

                            1 chip architecture is a VERY good thing in PCs."

                            Well, not for all computers, but let's stick to PCs anyway.

                            This only comes about because the instruction set is open, allowing other companies (ie AMD) to get in and produce their own versions. This allows competition.

                            Conversely, then, for a healthy OS market a standard set of APIs would need to be defined which would allow applications to be easily ported between OSs. Without something like this (that everyone would stick to) you wouldn't have a healthy industry.

                            These APIs would need to be pretty well carved in stone (like x86) so that you wouldn't be trying to hit a moving target. Since I can't see this ever happening, the only way to maintain some level of competition to help drive the market is to have multiple OSs available...

                            Is there another industry out there that has the same structure as the OS/application industry? I can't think of one offhand that could be used for comparison...Imran?

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by Tolls
                              This only comes about because the instruction set is open, allowing other companies (ie AMD) to get in and produce their own versions. This allows competition.

                              Conversely, then, for a healthy OS market a standard set of APIs would need to be defined which would allow applications to be easily ported between OSs. Without something like this (that everyone would stick to) you wouldn't have a healthy industry.

                              These APIs would need to be pretty well carved in stone (like x86) so that you wouldn't be trying to hit a moving target. Since I can't see this ever happening, the only way to maintain some level of competition to help drive the market is to have multiple OSs available...
                              Unfortunately this would definitely not work with software.

                              Unlike CPU instruction sets, OS APIs change rapidly with time. Look how often a new DirectX build comes out, for example.

                              There are general "multiplatform APIs" like OpenGL for graphics, and SDL(?) for audio, but for OS interaction they all function differently with the OS and programs, and all OSes frequently change their API calls as the product evolves, changes, and improves.

                              One possible solution to this is Microsoft's .NET. It's sort of like Java. The idea is if you have a .NET runtime on the computer (there are Mac, Unix, and Windows runtimes in development) it'll compile and run the code on multiple environments, on multiple instruction sets. Unlike Java, .NET doesn't restrict you to one specific language either. They can develop in tons of programming languages. The main .NET programming language is called C#. Microsoft designed it and submitted it to a 3rd party body to make it an open standard.

                              This is somewhat like a universal API for operating systems, and can be updated with a bit of ease too.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #135
                                "One possible solution to this is Microsoft's .NET."

                                But would the structure of .NET be open to allow, for example OpenNET to be made, which would do the same thing?

                                "There are general "multiplatform APIs" like OpenGL for graphics, and SDL(?) for audio, but for OS interaction they all function differently with the OS and programs, and all OSes frequently change their API calls as the product evolves, changes, and improves. "

                                These are the sort of things I was thinking of...this limits the amount of rework for an OS to updating one (albeit big) product (ie OpenGL, or OpenAL). The problem with these is that they are both fairly low level. SDL is higher level, but not quite as flexible...it's largely a graphics engine, but there is an audio plug in of sorts.

                                My point, essentially, is that I can't see the OS market as a monopoly being a healthy market..at least for the tech side of things.


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                                Oh...and GO TO BED!

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