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  • #91
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    I take it you meant to say "predatory", right? Predatory pricing can be utilized to increase market share, yes, but also to keep it, by creating high entry barriers. But MS needs no such application - IE's raison d'être isn't to kill Netscape, since it's already done that, it's to leverage MS applications in fields where MS does not yet dominate - Windows Media Player and phrase to domain resolving being prime exemples.


    This makes little sense. Why would it try to force Netscape out so it can dominate Media Player ?
    Has my English take a huge plunge lately or is your sentence above an indication of less than careful reading? IE already killed Netscape. As far as MS is concerned Netscape is a non-issue. The reason for bundling IE for "free" these days is to provide a infrastructural veichle to promote other MS solutions in fields where the MS still faces strong competitors - like the WMP. It's not a new MS tactic either - they've been doing it for decades. They used the same ploy with the various Office components way back when there still were Office competitors, they used the same tactics against Novell, they used it against Drivespace...

    I mean, it really isn't sending out much of a message, both Quicktime and RealPlayer have free versions as well.... and MS hasn't shown me squat that it will increase the cost of IE or Media Player at all.
    As had Netscape. The fact that it's bundeled with IE and works from the git-go is what makes WMP huge. Can you honstly say you haven't noticed how content providers have started to supply more and more streaming media in WMP formats the last two years or so? I remeber when RA was the de-facto standrad, and nowadays it's almost getting difficult to find any content for it.
    "The number of political murders was a little under one million (800,000 - 900,000)." - chegitz guevara on the history of the USSR.
    "I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.

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    • #92
      The reason for bundling IE for "free" these days is to provide a infrastructural veichle to promote other MS solutions in fields where the MS still faces strong competitors - like the WMP.


      You have to explain this, because I don't see how it makes sense or how bundling IE leads to WMP getting stronger.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #93
        You know people, regardless of what we discuss here, the United States Justice Department and the nine states still suiting M$ are going to continue to prosecute M$ (Thank God! ). There is a remedy that the judge over the case is considering, but it is rumored that the judge may consider an even harsher punishment. No matter what happens M$ is going to be prosecuted it seems. Let's just hope that the remedy is fair and just for all. Amen to that.
        HAVE A DAY.
        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Cloud9
          Liar Liar
          Instead of calling me a Liar, why don't you look it up for yourself?

          Windows XP Home: $49.99 : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...575307-0661744

          OS X 10.1: $119.99: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...575307-0661744

          So I was wrong, OS X is much more expensive.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #95
            the United States Justice Department and the nine states still suiting M$ are going to continue to prosecute M$


            Actually you are wrong... nine states ONLY are suing. The Justice Department is out with the settlement between MS and the government + the other states.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Asher

              Instead of calling me a Liar, why don't you look it up for yourself?

              Windows XP Home: $49.99 : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...575307-0661744

              OS X 10.1: $119.99: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...575307-0661744

              So I was wrong, OS X is much more expensive.
              THAT'S THE UPGRADE EDITION YOU !@#$%^& MORON!!! YOU'RE COMPARING THE UPGRADE EDITION OF WINDOWS TO THE FULL VERSION OF MAC OS X?
              HAVE A DAY.
              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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              • #97
                The non-upgrade edition is $89.... and does OS X even have an upgrade edition?
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Cloud9
                  Well Asher. If all the stuff that you believe about Microsoft is true then tell us why you believe it.

                  WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY!!!

                  Explain yourself!
                  What the hell are you on, boy?

                  I really can't stand it when people like Urban Ranger apply blind hate to companies. He blindly hates MS, anything it does or ever will do, regardless of whether it's a good thing.

                  He refuses to believe Windows XP is a good desktop OS, while millions of people would happily disagree with him. He constantly posts about Windows flaws in new threads and neglects all of the Mozilla/Unix flaws (which there is certainly no shortage of). He's trying to blindside Apolyton posters by "showing them the way" that Open Source is better than Microsoft, and takes every opportunity given to him to be an ass about it.

                  Anyone who says anything good, ever, about MS is labeled a Microsoft Apologist by him.

                  Anyway, I digree.

                  MS makes many good products. They have some questionable business practices (such as the OEM licensing bull****) that I would love to see stopped, but much of what they've done os perfectly and completely legal, and as I see it in the best interest of consumers. Get that? The best interest of the consumers. This trial is about the best interests of the competition: AOL/Timewarner and Sun, mostly. They're not out to protect the consumers, as they'd want you to believe, they're out to get MS tied down so they can come in and take over the existing markets and make money.

                  Only AOL/TW and Sun are run by complete idiots (it looks as though Sun's whole command chain is being reshuffled though -- and AOL's probably will after a $53B quarterly loss).

                  UR & Co. blames MS for everything. It's an easy out. It doesn't even cross his mind that Netscape may have ****ed up (which they clearly did).

                  Businesses die out, not all are successful. Netscape is one of those businesses going the way of the dodo, because an internet browser is an essential part of modern PC operation, just like a file system browser.

                  They actually thought they could get away with charging people money for such a service, and were shown that they couldn't get away with it.

                  But of course, this is MS' fault. If it wasn't for MS Netscape would still be selling Netscape 4.78 for $39.99 on store shelves. Obviously MS hurts the consumer, accordingly....
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    The non-upgrade edition is $89....
                    Liar Liar
                    HAVE A DAY.
                    <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                    "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by Cloud9
                      THAT'S THE UPGRADE EDITION YOU !@#$%^& MORON!!! YOU'RE COMPARING THE UPGRADE EDITION OF WINDOWS TO THE FULL VERSION OF MAC OS X?
                      Funny you mention that:
                      THERE IS NO UPGRADE VERSION OF MAC OS X. Apple forces EVERY SINGLE MAC OS 8/9 user to buy a new, full complete version. Why doesn't anyone troll about that?!

                      And 98% of PCs buying Windows in the store buy the UPGRADE EDITION. Most computers already ship with existing installations.

                      Think about it before you post next time.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by Asher

                        Funny you mention that:
                        THERE IS NO UPGRADE VERSION OF MAC OS X.

                        Most computers already ship with existing installations.
                        True, but when you buy Windows XP with a new PC you have to buy the full version of the product. And how do you think most copies of Windows XP are bought? With a new PC, of course! And what do you pay for it? $199.99. EXPENSIVE!!!
                        HAVE A DAY.
                        <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                        "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                        For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                        • #102
                          Amazon has it for $149 full, not $199

                          Anyway, when you buy an actual computer from an OEM, the cost of Windows is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the retail box.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Asher
                            . . .they're out to get MS tied down so they can come in and take over the existing markets and make money.
                            And you think there's something wrong with that?
                            HAVE A DAY.
                            <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                            "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                            For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Amazon has it for $149 full, not $199
                              Duh!

                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Anyway, when you buy an actual computer from an OEM, the cost of Windows is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the retail box.
                              Prove it.
                              HAVE A DAY.
                              <--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
                              "And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
                              For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

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                              • #105
                                With a new PC, of course! And what do you pay for it? $199.99. EXPENSIVE!!!


                                You are nutty aren't you? XP Home is $89.

                                Now stop being decietful and go home .
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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