Council of Europe agrees to abolish barrbaric punishment

[Paul Hanson]

Originally posted by GP
There was a pretty conservative paper that I read when I was hanging out with my friend, the Essex girl. Which one could it have been?

If it was a national paper (and British), it was either the Daily mail or Daily Telegraph.

[nationalist]

Proves to me that Europeans are as out of touch with reality as I always thought. What would they have done to that kid in Erfurt? I suppose giving him a stern talking to and a few disapproving looks would have sufficed as punishment.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Of course not OFITG

The Daily Mail...hmmm, I've always been bemused why people read that tat, same with any of the tabloids to be honest with you.

If it weren't for the Sports section, I sincerely hope that all the people I see reading the New York Post on the subways wouldn't be. Yech.

[Paul Hanson]

Originally posted by nationalist
Proves to me that Europeans are as out of touch with reality as I always thought. What would they have done to that kid in Erfurt? I suppose giving him a stern talking to and a few disapproving looks would have sufficed as punishment.

I'm no expert on German law, but he probably would have been sent to prison with a bunch of older mass murders who would have bum-raped him day and night for the duration of his stay. A punishment far worse than death, I'm sure you would agree.

[Mikhail]

Nationalist: Whether you realize it or not, killing that boy won't bring back any of the people he killed. It will only make us as bad as him.

As Paul said, it's not as if Prison is a walk in the park. (Unless a family member has political pull anyway )

[Boris Godunov]

Were the death penalty:

1) 100% accurate (no innocents executed)
2) Not racist
3) an actual deterrent to crime
4) Only used on those beyond hope of rehabiliation

I would support it. It's none of those things, nor ever can be, so away with it.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by GP
The Essex girl.

Was her name Tracy?

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Mikhail
Nationalist: Whether you realize it or not, killing that boy won't bring back any of the people he killed. It will only make us as bad as him.

As Paul said, it's not as if Prison is a walk in the park. (Unless a family member has political pull anyway )

No, it wouldn't bring them back. But executing a killer does not make a society as bad as the murdering individual. Execution is the just answer to mass murder. This person has proven that he cannot live within the limits of society, therefore he should be removed. The just way to deal with a criminal that has that much blood on his hands is death. If we would have captured Hitler after WWII, do you think that we should have given him life in prison? Sometimes execution is the only answer.

[David Floyd]

What legal crime did Hitler commit?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
What legal crime did Hitler commit?

He violated the Geneva Convention.

[nationalist]

Orchastrating Mass Murder is a crime.

[Dauphin]

Were "Bomber" Harris and Harry Truman criminals then?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Were the death penalty:

1) 100% accurate (no innocents executed)
2) Not racist
3) an actual deterrent to crime
4) Only used on those beyond hope of rehabiliation

I would support it. It's none of those things, nor ever can be, so away with it.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
Were "Bomber" Harris and Harry Truman criminals then?

I wouldn't say so. The difference between Hitler and Truman is motive. Truman authorized the bombingof Hiroshima nd Nagasaki to end a war and save hundreds of thousands of lives. Granted his actions killed thousands, but they ultimately saved more than they killed. The Japanese government is just as guilty for those Japanese lives as Truman. They engaged in an aggressive war against the U.S., and were willing to fight to the last to prevent defeat. This will forced drastic measures to end the war. In a sense, the bombings were acts of self defense. Truman was protecting Americans.

Hitler killed people for political gain. The Night of the Long Knives, where Hitler had his SS kill thousands of SA officials, was murder.
I don't think that I have to explain the evil involved in the Holocaust.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Were the death penalty:

1) 100% accurate (no innocents executed)
2) Not racist
3) an actual deterrent to crime
4) Only used on those beyond hope of rehabiliation

I would support it. It's none of those things, nor ever can be, so away with it.

1. Modern methods improve on the accuracy all the time. Few innocent people are executed. However, I agree that this is the biggest problem with capital punishment. That is why we have a lengthy appeals process to ensure that people aren't wrongly executed.

2. Most evidence points to the death penalty not being racist. Look at few statistics.

3. Death penalty isn't about deterrance. It is about punishment and justice. The laws are there to deter the crime.

4. People who have commited crimes heinous enough to warrant the death penalty don't deserve a second chance. Their victims won't get one.