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  • #31
    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
    So who made you the authority on what is right and wrong in all aspects of life?
    Emmerich de Vattel. Look him up and you might learn something.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • #32
      I thought you were a realist in IR. What does a realist care about morals or right and wrong? .
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        I thought you were a realist in IR. What does a realist care about morals or right and wrong? .
        It is also a strategy that has failed to advance the interests of those that practiced it (America, Israel, IRA, etc.) throughout history. Which is one of the primary reasons I don't like the strategy.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #34
          That's okay. I don't like the whole general area.

          Speak American, world!







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          • #35
            I think HRW is a fairly credible source. But...

            Human Rights Watch has been on my sh*t list ever since they lobbied for Plan Columbia. They have very little moral authority or credibility anymore.
            I always thought they opposed Plan Colombia.... Do you have a link?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Natan
              The issue is whether Israel should be classified under "invaders and oppressors" who should be "resisted" by "all means." I think that once you say yes, you kind of give up your claim to be neutral.
              So you are denying that the continued presence of Israelis in the occupied territories are in fact illegal? If the territories do not belong to Israel, their presence makes them invaders.

              So you are in fact saying that the destruction of Palestinian refugee camps are not acts of oppression?
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              • #37
                Originally posted by MrFun
                I already have the facts straight, Shi -- the extreme Palestinians and their lowly terrorists seek to completely eradicate Israel.
                So you are saying that the Israels can eradicate Palestine, but the Palestinians cannot seek to do the same?
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  It is also a strategy that has failed to advance the interests of those that practiced it (America, Israel, IRA, etc.) throughout history. Which is one of the primary reasons I don't like the strategy.
                  It's very telling that you list the US and Israel in the same group as the IRA.

                  (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                  (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                  (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                    So you are saying that the Israels can eradicate Palestine, but the Palestinians cannot seek to do the same?
                    If Israel was seeking to erradicate Palestine, they have had the power for quite sometime to do it more quickly and efficently than the effort they have put forth so far.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                      It's very telling that you list the US and Israel in the same group as the IRA.
                      Why?
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #41
                        Isn't the IRA a terrorist group?
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                          Isn't the IRA a terrorist group?
                          Yes, they have engaged in warfare against civilians. So,have Israel and the US among many other countries much to thier collective detriments. What's your point?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            If Israel was seeking to erradicate Palestine, they have had the power for quite sometime to do it more quickly and efficently than the effort they have put forth so far.
                            So what do you call all this destruction of infrastructure and housing? A pat on the back?
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                              So what do you call all this destruction of infrastructure and housing? A pat on the back?
                              I would call the use of troops a waste of resources as a primary weapon in a war of eradication. For example, Israel would have used strategic bombing against Jenin if thier primary purpose was to kill as many civilians as possible.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                                So you are saying that the Israels can eradicate Palestine, but the Palestinians cannot seek to do the same?
                                IMO, Palestinian leaders have to accept either the Giza strip as their territory with some increase in its size, or they have to accept the West Bank as its territory, with its size decreased somewhat.

                                One or the other, but I doubt that this was even considered in any negotiations. This is just my opinion on what the terms should be.

                                Having territory of one, same country on both sides of another country is just plain ridiculous, not to mention any inter-border security problems.
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