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Which Civilization has been the biggest bunch of bastards throughout history?
Originally posted by Chris 62
And as an aside, the original post says throughout history, not 600-1700, so that says volumes about some people's reading comprehension.
As I remember, Islam didn't even exist before 630AD. Maybe someone needs to learn more about history, despite claiming to know everything about history.
Originally posted by Chris 62
Dino, the people here needed a splash of water to the face, they got it into their heads that Islam is this happy place where all is good and everyone lives in peace and harmony, and that the rest of the world did all the damage.
It looks to me like both sides are guilty of focusing on thier favored of the two visions of warfare and attitudes toward faith and the enemies of Islam embodied within the Koran.
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Originally posted by Chris 62
Not at all, it's the verdict of History, Islam has consistantly attacked it's non-Islamic neibhors through out history, in fact, the Black slave trade in Africa was intiated by Islam.Yes, lets.
No, Mohammed claims that God spoke to him as his last prophet, and added the clever device of saying that he was the last such prohit, so he could never be corected or changed.
His notion was to disreguard all of the new testatment to be replaced by his teachings, the Koran.
You don't know what you talking about, western Rome fell in the 5th century, Mohammed comes in the 8th century, unless the Islamics had a time machine.
Which has nothing to do with the topic.
You might add that they were allowed to live in a Muslim state by paying THREE times the taxes of other citizens, a non-Islamic tax.
The Christians considered them colaberators (and they are also crazy, but that's another story) so had no problem killing them.
We are talking about the biggest bastards in history, they fit the bill.
The thread isn't about the possitives, it's about the biggest bastards in History, Islam is it by every criteria you care to name.
Oh, and every British monarch and government were exactly the same?
Talk about generalizations.
I never said that Islam rose at the same period that the Roman Empire fell. You put words in my mouth.
For centuries after the Roman Empire fell, the Catholic monasteries, and then later, the Islamic cities, preserved the heritage from ancient Greece and ancient Rome.
And you bet that Islam was definitely inspired partially by Christianity, in that Mohhamed saw himself as the continuation, as well as the last, prophet going back to Judahism and Christianity.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
And here I thought that you defended Israel because you were morally opposed to terrorism, and now I find you are a anti-Islamic bigot that even argues facts that most historians agree upon (ie, most of Western learning owes a great debt to Islamic saving of Roman and Greek texts).
I think Peacemaker in context to CBS league was right after all.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Common misconception, Mongol rule was neither oppressive or criminal, in fact, they oppened trade routes to Europe and the west long closed in their brief span of pre-eminence.
They didn't rule all that long. Its the way they murdered their way to empire that gets them that rep I would suppose.
Just ask the dead in city after after city that the Mongols sacked just how unoppressive they were. Millions dead. Hundreds of thousands in Damascus alone. Very unpleasant people even by the standards of Empires over history.
I voted for Russia myself. Pretty nasty under both the Tsars and the Communists. Hard to beat 30 million deaths under Stalin alone.
The Spaniards had unexpected help in their slaughtering. Much of it was unintended. They didn't plan on killing the vast majority of the Amerinds with Small Pox.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
The total of native Americans in 1492 is roughly estimated at one million.
The Mongols killed three million in the Korezim Empire alone!
Where the heck did you get that ludicrous number for the Amerinds. I don't know about1492 but there is no way the one million in all the Americas became a vastly huger number by the time Cortez arived in Mexico. Mexico alone is estimated to have had 25 million at that time. One hundred years later it was down to one million. Mostly due to small pox.
However its true the Mongols were intentionly killing by the millions.
Originally posted by Chris 62
I'm annoyed by the "scared cow" attitude I see by posters toward the Islamic world, this seems a reflection of the modern era.
I stand by what i said, for pure human misery, look no further then those carring a cresent to battle, they brought wars of conquest to three coninents in a very short span.
Not all christan states disallowed such things.
I never said these guys were sweatharts.
Actually, you can continue it foward, but they couldn't compete with Europe on a military bases from about 1600, but not from a lack of trying.
Pure nonsense, a massive generalization.
Most of the preserved works of anciet Greeks comes from the Monisteris, not Muslims sources, and those monistaries were Christian.
Not a matter of spreading, outside of the americas it never really caught on in Asia or Africa.
T1t-for-tat semantics.
If you want who was first to attack, the honor falls to Islam.
I merely stated my opinion, and was bombarded with nonsense.
I'm called a bigot for my pick, what hypocracy!
People should try to keep personal feelings out of such discussions, or don't waste my time.
I must say I disagree with you
Africa is very christian (not 100% but still)
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So be it. If you can only resolve to insults and lies, then I really pity you. Maybe you are under too much stress, how about seeing a psychiatrist?
Your not to smart, are you?
Did you even look at the provided material?
Do you have a clue about Islamic history?
Obviously not.
Someday when you grow up you might.
Originally posted by poly's #1 Islamic appolgist
And here I thought that you defended Israel because you were morally opposed to terrorism, and now I find you are a anti-Islamic bigot that even argues facts that most historians agree upon (ie, most of Western learning owes a great debt to Islamic saving of Roman and Greek texts).
I find many things about Islam interesting and of importance, but because I recognize them for what they are does not make me a bigot.
If you took those blinders off you might see it also.
I have no idea why many people here want to bend over and give islam a big kiss on the backside, but I never will.
For all their fine accomplishments they left a blood trail miles wide with a history of aggression and intolernce they extends to this day.
It seems in vogue today to blame Europe and America for the world's problems, and theiren lies Islam's number one problem, and inability to look truthfully at it's past and what it wants, and to blame it's problems on others.
Your the perfect example Imran, and educated man, yet you turn your back on knowledge and fall into retoric and falsehood when anything that shows a bad light on Islam is brought up.
You are the perfect example of what is symptamatic of Islam, blame others for your own short comings, and turn nelson's blind eye to the truth of history.
Transcend is just a fool, so we need not concern ourselves with him, but you should know better.
I think Peacemaker in context to CBS league was right after all.
Yet you thought differently before I dared question Islam.
Shows a lot about your character, or rather, lack of it.
Since Trancend knows so little, I'll hook him up with some sites, which are easy to find BTW, a few clicks on goggle.
I say China, just because of the question, throughout history. The Chinese have been around twice as long s any other civilization, thus they've had twice the time to be bastards.
After that, it would be impossible to single any group out for exceptional bastardhod among their peers. The Germans, the Slavs, the Aryans, the Bantu, the Arabs, the Mongols, all have great rivers of blood in their history.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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